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Gary Kubiak

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Spags?  As DC?  I guess he'd be more free to go, same as Chud or other guys with that bizarre "special assistant" type role.  He's been a disaster at times, minimal tape as a full-on DC, but there's some continuity there, running the Jim Johnson stuff that McDermott does, and he's due for something good to happen.  If the theoretical new head coach was a taskmaster and involved in all phases, maybe, because Spags is a spazz (at least, via Saints players) who no one liked. 

 

But, I also see there's a lot of buzz around Spags going back to NYG too.  Seems they're not that happy with Fewell.  Giants players must already be used to dealing with a pain in the butt coach. 

 

The Chargers didn't let Carolina have Chud.  Chud didn't renew the year before, so he came free. Shula did the same thing, where as most assistants renew with a year left.  That's the only way Rivera got either guy.   Which, is a discouraging thing of reading a lot of reactions to reading a coach's former history (especially on tenured Carolina coaches a year or two in), is that most people don't seem to grasp that most coaches get fired all the time. 

 

Kubiak and Morhinweg would be OK because Kubiak would call it.   Still not totally sure what happened in the Andy Reid camp - which it seems to have worked out fine for KC - that Childress and MM were available but Pederson is OC, Childress is one of those 'special projects' guys and MM was set adrift.  Mornhinweg, it's hard to argue a ton of success in NYJ.   But he's had only so much to work with, so is he a guy who does well with a good WCO coach above him only? 

 

Chud's contract was ending but wasn't quite over.  He still needed the Chargers permission to interview with both us and the Dolphins OC jobs, and - meaningless though it may have been - they gave it.  I got the sense they'd like to have kept him (he had the Assistant HC title at the time) had he not taken one of the other jobs.  They flat out denied Wilks though.  He left the following year.

 

It's kind of a double edged sword that.  Teams like to keep good assistants, but guys can also get kinda resentful when they're not allowed the opportunity to advance their careers.  For their part, the Panthers have generally been good about giving permission to interview (when there's been demand).

 

Overall though, yeah, staffs tend to be mostly assembled from guys who are either out of contract or out of work.  I know Rivera's initial staff wasn't everything he wanted and he made changes in the years that followed (dumping Meeks for Wilks being one).  My understanding was that Rivera wanted Wilks as his DC, but that position was filled and he was happy with McDermott.

 

Looking at the staffs of some of the 'hot seat' coaches though, there are potentially some decent hires available depending on who gets fired.  Among others, there's Bobby April in Oakland; Bob Babich and Jerry Sullivan in Jacksonville; Mel Tucker,  Matt Cavanaugh, Joe DeCamillis and Aaron Kromer in Chicago; and Dirk Koetter, Terry Robiskie, Mike Tice and Mike Nolan - who's worked with Kubiak before - in the (what I would still consider unlikely) event that Mike Smith is fired.

 

Then of course you have the head coaches themselves who could be looking for coordinator jobs again.  That'd give you Gus Bradley as a DC option, Marc Trestman as a West Coast OC, Tony Sparano as an OL/OC possibility and perhaps even Mike Smith as a DC candidate.  Smith seems unlikely though as, for one, I don't know that he's fired and two, he's the one I'd see with the greatest chance of getting another head coaching job.

 

So yeah, depending on who's ultimately fired, of course, you could actually cobble together a half decent staff from that scrap heap.

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well yes, technically Chud's deal was not over, but the league in general doesn't really bother with worrying about what will happen between January and March on coaches that don't have a year left. Both Chud and Shula had reportedly chosen not to extend the year prior so they'd have flexibility (coaching free agency was something I fully expected to blow up in the Parcells - Tampa thing in 2002 that never did, which almost let us get Charlie Weis except for money, and instead saddled us with Henning). 

 

Koetter is an interesting one.  He's not going to be a high powered OC that everyone will immediately fall for, but he'd bring continuity (he's a numbers guy too), a little more hurry up, maybe you could convince Shula to remain as QBs coach (which would irrationally piss a lot of people off),   Kromer, definitely as OL, maybe as an OC under a good offensive HC.  

 

I think I'd rather not go with Tice or Nolan, it's just stigmatic.   While I myself had always wanted to get Rivera an assistant head coach, I don't envy the idea of having a name guy over his shoulder that hasn't had longterm success.  Neither of those guys strike me as excelling as assistants, so it becomes an Art Shell thing.  You remember him as a former head coach while he's an assistant, so you assume he's a good assistant instead of seeing results.  

 

Nolan also hasn't done much good with a 4-3 and I don't want to be 3-4, but if I were, one gap all the way. At any rate the idea was to get someone to help Ron make the clock decisions, the stuff he struggled with in '11, '12, and then excelled at in '13 ('14's irrelevant, being in only a certain amount of close games).

 

I definitely did see Bobby April on that soon to be cut Raiders staff, In a post-Rivera world, I'm definitely not against that. 

 

 

 

 

oh!  I remembered another name that the press had floated on 2011 for OC, when they were still in the hiring process for HC (all defensive).  Clements, maybe Musgrave, but I remember now that Jay Gruden was being pushed.  I am hazy on Musgrave still, but I'd had it written down.  I think that's just an odd novelty, Musgrave. Gruden really kinda looks like he'll be out there again, and that would be interesting.   He has Brian Baker with him, and I'd like him back, but that staff is woefully undertalented.  I'm sure Sean McVay will grow, but he's way too young to be both OC and QBs coach, Haslett is ineffective, and most of the position coaches look more like green coaches who used to play, than guys who are all-in on all-day film on a Monday.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know.  I'm coming around to Kubiak a little, but prefer Clements. And I'm not in love with them being WCO.  I really don't even know how I feel about a head coach calling plays. 

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Some coaches are simply just better as coordinators. It's a totally different animal being in charge of everything.

 

After witnessing Rivera make the same costly mistakes year after year without showing signs of truly learning from it, I'm just not sure if hiring the offensive equivalent of him is the right choice. This organization has to start taking chances, stop trying to play it safe all the time.

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I wish the rest of the div would stop keeping Riveras job hopes alive. Deep down i know this team would be better off in the long run without a playoff birth and a new coach then the other way around. Gary Kubiak def had some great seasons in Houston. 

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well yes, technically Chud's deal was not over, but the league in general doesn't really bother with worrying about what will happen between January and March on coaches that don't have a year left. Both Chud and Shula had reportedly chosen not to extend the year prior so they'd have flexibility (coaching free agency was something I fully expected to blow up in the Parcells - Tampa thing in 2002 that never did, which almost let us get Charlie Weis except for money, and instead saddled us with Henning).

Koetter is an interesting one. He's not going to be a high powered OC that everyone will immediately fall for, but he'd bring continuity (he's a numbers guy too), a little more hurry up, maybe you could convince Shula to remain as QBs coach (which would irrationally piss a lot of people off), Kromer, definitely as OL, maybe as an OC under a good offensive HC.

I think I'd rather not go with Tice or Nolan, it's just stigmatic. While I myself had always wanted to get Rivera an assistant head coach, I don't envy the idea of having a name guy over his shoulder that hasn't had longterm success. Neither of those guys strike me as excelling as assistants, so it becomes an Art Shell thing. You remember him as a former head coach while he's an assistant, so you assume he's a good assistant instead of seeing results.

Nolan also hasn't done much good with a 4-3 and I don't want to be 3-4, but if I were, one gap all the way. At any rate the idea was to get someone to help Ron make the clock decisions, the stuff he struggled with in '11, '12, and then excelled at in '13 ('14's irrelevant, being in only a certain amount of close games).

I definitely did see Bobby April on that soon to be cut Raiders staff, In a post-Rivera world, I'm definitely not against that.

oh! I remembered another name that the press had floated on 2011 for OC, when they were still in the hiring process for HC (all defensive). Clements, maybe Musgrave, but I remember now that Jay Gruden was being pushed. I am hazy on Musgrave still, but I'd had it written down. I think that's just an odd novelty, Musgrave. Gruden really kinda looks like he'll be out there again, and that would be interesting. He has Brian Baker with him, and I'd like him back, but that staff is woefully undertalented. I'm sure Sean McVay will grow, but he's way too young to be both OC and QBs coach, Haslett is ineffective, and most of the position coaches look more like green coaches who used to play, than guys who are all-in on all-day film on a Monday.

I don't know. I'm coming around to Kubiak a little, but prefer Clements. And I'm not in love with them being WCO. I really don't even know how I feel about a head coach calling plays.

I'm not especially attached to the idea of Kubiak. I'd be fine with hiring him, but also wouldn't scream about it if we didn't.

But the combination of two factors - his past connection to Gettleman and his current status as a hot head coaching prospect - makes me think that if we are in the market this offseason, he's extremely likely to be in the mix.

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