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Rick Spielman Wants To Trade With Us (And Everyone Else)


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On Tuesday Rick Spielman of the Minnesota Vikings put the 11th overall pick on the trading block. 

 

I’m looking forward to potentially moving out of that pick, if at all possible. I don’t anticipate us moving up at this point, but I would love the opportunity to move down and collect more picks. My goal is always to have 10 picks and one of the reasons for that is you get the opportunity to move up and down throughout that draft,”
 
"When you are collecting picks in that third day and especially when you get in that 6th and 7th round. I think those are very valuable".
 
"If you have 2,3, or 4 picks in those 6th and 7th rounds, you can take those best players down your board and you don't have to compete after the draft in Free Agency". 

 

 
 
This is a stark contrast to our GM Dave Gettleman who rather have "A Qwata than two Dimes". I find it very interesting that an NFL GM is talking about 6th and 7th round picks in the context of trading out of the 11th overall pick.  
 
But it's not just talk. Last year Spielman traded away the 148th pick in the draft which was used to pick one of the most impressive rookie corners in the NFL, Bene Benwikere. Spielman dropped 20 spots in the 5th round for his coveted 7th round selection.
 
Spielman feels there is a chunk of players on his board from 8 to 20 with similar grades. So perhaps that 11th pick is out of reach for the Panthers. But you better believe the Viking's second rounder and down from there is available. In the past three drafts the Vikings have moved out of a pick 16 times. They've also made 29 picks in that time frame. 
 
So take note of when the Vikings are on the clock. That pick might be the next great Panther. 
 
Vikings Picks: 
First round, 11th overall
Second round, 45th overall
Third round, 76th overall
Fourth round, 110th overall
Fifth round, 137th overall
Seventh round, 228th overall
Seventh round, 232nd overall

Panthers Picks:
First round, 25th overall
Second round, 57th overall
Third round, 89th overall
Fourth round, 124th overall
Fifth round, 161st overall
Fifth round, 169th overall (compensatory, cannot be traded)
Fifth round, 174th overall (compensatory, cannot be traded)
Sixth round, 201st overall
Seventh round, 242nd overall
 

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I highly doubt we would go for the Vikings 1st pick. The cost would be too high. But Spielman is using words like "if at all possible". That doesn't sound like tough negotiating. 

 

With the Vikings picking 12 spots ahead of us throughout the draft, that's a nice distance to jump up for us, and a nice distance to jump up for them. It would not surprise me if we saw action in the middle rounds.

 

Edit: I would like to see us swap 3rds for our 6th or 7th. I think that would be a sweet deal to get someone we rate as a 2nd round pick but is falling for whatever reason. 

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Going by the presser, Gettleman stressed he wont reach. Plus I feel like he would rather see people mess up their draft rather than our organization. 

 

Trading up isn't reaching and doesn't go against BPA. If you believe someone worth a 10th pick has slipped to 15, and you trade up to get him because 15+25-10 is better value than your 161st and 57th pick that you'd have to give up to get it, then that's the best value available. Gettleman has never said he's against trading, he's just said you have to make sure you're gaining value, which is the hard bit. 

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