Jump to content
  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Coaching Longevity (Or Lack Of It)


Mr. Scot

Recommended Posts

In 2011, eight head coaches were hired in the NFL.

Only two of those - Panthers Coach Ron Rivera and Cowboys Coach Jason Garrett - are still with the teams that hired them just five years ago.

The class that was dismissed?  Hue Jackson (Raiders, fired after one season) Leslie Frazier (got three years from the Vikes) Pat Shurmur (was shown the Browns revolving door after two seasons) Mike Munchak (the first of two Titans head coaches to be fired in the last five years) Jim Harbaugh (we all know that story) and our old buddy John Fox (parted ways with the Broncos after mailing in his final playoff game).

More here: In today's NFL, it's tough to build a team

Probably a similar picture if you were to look at GM hires and fires.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

because there are a finite amount of wins to go around in the regular season, success in the NFL is directly relative. There are 256 wins to go around and we got 15 of them this year, nearly 6%. Luck plays a part but luck only goes so far. 15 wins is a testament to how good a team the Panthers have become.

The Patriots are a really good team and have always been regardless of luck. In the last 15 years, they have punched the most tickets to the playoffs and only missed it twice, in 2002 and 2008. when you think about that, 6 superbowl appearances and 4 wins doesn't seem so surprising. And while Belichick made his first appearance within 2 years of being hired by the Patriots organization, it is still looking like you don't really know what you have in a coach by the end of year 2.

In 2012 people were lamenting how good John Fox and Jim Harbaugh were. Fox hasn't proven yet since he's left the Panthers organization that he can get past .500 without a QB like Peyton Manning playing at the level he has played up until age caught up with him. And Jim Harbaugh could not cooperate with anybody in the niners organization, so he left a toxic environment and the talent level on that team immediately vaporized with so many departures and retirements.

I've been aware of the coaching turnover hovering around 25% for a while now. Many of those hirings might be guys who are just not fit to be NFL Head Coaches, but organizations like the Browns and Raiders have nothing to go by because they may have fired a good coach or two because they don't have the patience for a little longevity.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Teams are so impatient. Can you imagine where we would be had we fired Rivera after going 7-9 his second year?

Good teams give guys time. But it shows how fickle the NFL when even Coughlin feels the pressure after providing two titles. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, frash.exe said:

because there are a finite amount of wins to go around in the regular season, success in the NFL is directly relative. There are 128 wins to go around and we got 15 of them this year, more than 10%. Luck plays a part but luck only goes so far. 15 wins is a testament to how good a team the Panthers have become.

 

I think there are 256 wins per season?  Or are you only talking by Conference?

16 games X 16 wins = 256 games & wins

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A lot of those teams should have shown some patience.  Sometimes it's obvious a guy needs to go.  Like in Atlanta last year, Mike Smith had just clearly lost the team and they weren't playing hard for him anymore.  It was time for some new energy, and I think the Falcons are going to be the Panthers biggest competition next year.

But then you have Tampa Bay who just fired the coach that had them improve 4 games with a rookie QB.  A young team still figuring out their identity and building a culture and they just fire the guy.  That is what turns you into the Browns.  You have to let a guy establish himself.  The only reason I can think they fired Lovie is that their offensive coordinator Koetter was about to get a head coaching gig somewhere else, and the only way to keep him with Jameis was to make him head coach. If that's the reason, I can kind of understand it, but it still sucks.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I do remember the Browns firing this one guy...

I think he did okay for himself afterwards.

idk if i would count them firing Belichick because that team eventually became the Ravens, and the Browns that we know today was basically established as an expansion team starting from scratch in 1999. All they have is the intellectual property.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, frash.exe said:

idk if i would count them firing Belichick because that team eventually became the Ravens, and the Browns that we know today was basically established as an expansion team starting from scratch in 1999. All they have is the intellectual property.

They inherited the penchant for failure.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There are only 7 head coaches in the NFL that have been with their team longer than Rivera has been with Panthers. Interestingly, 3 of those are in the AFC North. 

Full List: Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Pete Carrol, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and Marvin Lewis.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.


  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Congratulations do they know who the father is?
    • In my opinion Fitterer was probably right about not paying McCaffrey. Now not wanting to "pay RBs" in my opinion isn't something you want to set in stone, to me it all comes down to the individual.
    • Maybe I'm just not understanding, but everywhere that I have read says that signing bonuses go against the cap prorated by as much as five years. The following example uses Andrew Luck's rookie contract as an example. "Take Andrew Luck, the first overall pick in the 2012 NFL draft. Luck signed a four-year contract with the Colts worth $22.1 million and included a $14.5 million signing bonus. Rather than a $14.5 million cap hit in 2012, the Colts spread out his signing bonus over the life of his contract. The hit against the cap would be $3.625 million per year over four years instead of a direct cap hit of $14.5 million directly in 2012. This gave the Colts more leverage and cap flexibility in signing other players." https://www.the33rdteam.com/nfl-signing-bonuses-explained/ I don't know why some of you think that signing bonuses aren't counted against the cap over the length of the contract, but whatever.   "The bonus with a signing is usually the most garish aspect of a rookie contract. Bonus is the immediate cash players receive when they ink a deal. It factors into the cap, but only for the whole contract duration, in terms of salary cap calculations. In the case of Bryce Young’s $24.6 million signing bonus, that’s prorated to approximately $6.15 million per season over a four-year deal. This format allows teams to handle the cap and provides rookies with some short-term fiscal stability, which is important given the high injury risk in this league." https://collegefootballnetwork.com/how-rookie-contracts-work-in-the-nfl/ I understand how signing bonuses can be a useful tool in order to manage the cap, and as one of the article suggests, signing bonuses may become important if you have a tight cap, but the bill is always going to come due. I'm not necessarily referring to you Tuka, but it seems to me that others simply don't want to understand that fact which is why they're reacting to what I'm saying negatively. How odd. In any event, I have a better general understanding of why signing bonuses are used now, and it's generally to fit salaries under the cap. Surely players, whether they be rookies or not, love a signing bonus because they get a good portion of their money up front. This in turn gives them more security and probably amounts to tax benefits as well. I also understand why teams would not want to use signing bonuses, particularly for players or draftees who have a higher probability of being gone before a contract even ends.
×
×
  • Create New...