It wasn't the offensive line!!!

[KillerKat]

It is you that knows nothing about football.

If you do not think that the OLines inability to effectively block and keep pressure off your QB does not DIRECTLY contribute to a QB's ability to play well adn not throw INT's, then you need to go back and take Football 101.

The O-line didn't make jake throw the INTs instead of taking the sack! The O-line didnt make jake not secure the ball when he got hit and fumbled!

[Guild]

Panthers used to offer it one Saturday a year.....was directed to the wives of football fans.

Hmm maybe I need football 151.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

I'd probably stay cool and calm if I suspected there was a good chance a 300lb DT was gonna roll into the backfield unblocked and lay me out like a sack of dirt.

Probably make me a better passer overall, more confident and collected.

In fact, I bet after being sacked 3-4 times in the first half, my completions would be well over 100%.

I wouldn't be in a rush to get the ball out of there and could calmly look over my recievers as I expected to be crushed by 500lbs of sweat Eagles any moment...again.

I see what you're saying. Jake should have played better, or at least not have let those sacks and pressure rattle him.

[Guild]

The O-line didn't make jake throw the INTs instead of taking the sack! The O-line didnt make jake not secure the ball when he got hit and fumbled!

This is true enough. But the OL got the game to the point where #17 had to take chances that were exploited by Philly. Football is a game of synergy and the whole is greatly reduced by a part not performing as it should. To bad for #17 that the stats for this go on his sheet.

[KillerKat]

This is true enough. But the OL got the game to the point where #17 had to take chances that were exploited by Philly. Football is a game of synergy and the whole is greatly reduced by a part not performing as it should. To bad for #17 that the stats for this go on his sheet.

So throwing incredibly inaccurate and right to the defender and not securing the football = taking chances? Sorry, but that's just piss poor decision making to me.

[SloppyJoe]

This whole thread is confusing. Are we upset at Jake or the Oline? No one really seems to know for sure with the whole flip flopping of blame. But the fact of the matter is: The ENTIRE offense played like crap after the first possession. That's about it.

[firstdayfan]

It is you that knows nothing about football.

If you do not think that the OLines inability to effectively block and keep pressure off your QB does not DIRECTLY contribute to a QB's ability to play well adn not throw INT's, then you need to go back and take Football 101.

I promise I know more than most about the game of football. I understand your point but let me explain something to you that I'm not quite sure you get...and I'm not going to insult your intelligence by throwing out the top QB's in the league and how their olines didn't play well (Roethlisburger 4x, Rodgers 4x) but I throw out some average QB's who's lines played poorly and maybe they didn't win the game but at least they were in it. Kyle Orton (Sacked 3 times, No INT) Brodie Croyle (sacked 3 times, no INT's), Shaun Hill (sacked 4 times, no INT's and 1 fumble), Chad Pennington (sacked 4 times, 1 INT and 1 fumble), and Brady Quinn (sacked 5 times, 1 INT and 1 fumble).

Jake Delhomme (sacked 3 times 4 INT's and 1 Fumble). Get it? Just because the offensive line is not playing well doesn't mean that a QB is going to throw 4 INT's or hell even lose a game!!! Shaun Hill and Orton both won there games. I understand that the offensive line needs to improve AND THEY WILL, but that doesn't account for Jake thowing INT's under no pressure at all.

[Guild]

So throwing incredibly inaccurate and right to the defender and not securing the football = taking chances? Sorry, but that's just piss poor decision making to me.

I wasn't saying #17 wasn't responsible as well. Yep he definitely had multiple bad decisions that were caused (I think) by him trying to desperately force a change in momentum in the game.

This whole thread is confusing. Are we upset at Jake or the Oline? No one really seems to know for sure with the whole flip flopping of blame. But the fact of the matter is: The ENTIRE offense played like crap after the first possession. That's about it.

Agreed. There is no one thing to blame it is several factors that added up to crushing defeat. I'm not upset with either #17 or the OL for the record. In fact I'm not really upset, but I am quite disappointed with the OL, #17, and especially the OC.

[monstercat]

No flip flopping from me. There is no way you can call 5 sacks and 10 hurries anything but awful. Delhomme and the O-line played like garbage.

I think the point some people are trying to make though, is that if a QB gets hit enough, it gets in his head and affects his judgement even on plays where he doesn't get hit. So you can't just point to one play and claim that the pressure wasn't a part of it.

[MadHatter]

I promise I know more than most about the game of football. I understand your point but let me explain something to you that I'm not quite sure you get...and I'm not going to insult your intelligence by throwing out the top QB's in the league and how their olines didn't play well (Roethlisburger 4x, Rodgers 4x) but I throw out some average QB's who's lines played poorly and maybe they didn't win the game but at least they were in it. Kyle Orton (Sacked 3 times, No INT) Brodie Croyle (sacked 3 times, no INT's), Shaun Hill (sacked 4 times, no INT's and 1 fumble), Chad Pennington (sacked 4 times, 1 INT and 1 fumble), and Brady Quinn (sacked 5 times, 1 INT and 1 fumble).

Jake Delhomme (sacked 3 times 4 INT's and 1 Fumble). Get it? Just because the offensive line is not playing well doesn't mean that a QB is going to throw 4 INT's or hell even lose a game!!! Shaun Hill and Orton both won there games. I understand that the offensive line needs to improve AND THEY WILL, but that doesn't account for Jake thowing INT's under no pressure at all.

I understand your point. However, I don't think you understand mine.

I am not saying Jake was not to blame. He was....definitely more than the OLine. But, to dismiss the poor play by the OLine and lay the blame squarely on Jake is laughable.

There was plenty of blame to go around on Sunday....Jake, OLine, even the WR's. I would say 60% Jake....20% OLine, 15% Coaching, and 5% WR's.

Jake takes the lead, but I refuse to have him shoulder 100% of the blame.