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What will the KK Short and Star deals look like?

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3 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Please mock up both players, then send copies to DG and their agents. Both deals have my approval.

Star's is a little more complicated due to the 5th year option and the calculator I'm using being limited, but I'll see what I can do.

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Here is how I would do Star's deal that would be done next offseason.

Not shown in the breakdown is the 5th year option we would pick up for 2017 will be around $8.5M. I took $7.5M of that and converted it to signing bonus to spread out the cap hits and added another $15M in signing bonus. That reduces his 2017 base salary to $1M but he would get $22.5M up front upon signing.

The totals for the deal are a 4 year extension for $41.5M($50M over 5 years) with a $22.5M signing bonus and $26.5M guaranteed.

Again, ignore the dead money on the right because that is calculated incorrectly

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Star and Kawann would both be locked up through 2021

EDIT: Re-thinking it a bit here, I probably overbonused Star so if you want to imagine some of that signing bonus money being kicked into base salary and lowering the guaranteed money some that is probably more realistic. $22.5M signing bonus is way too much on a $50M deal. $15M is more likely. I'm not going to re-do the image because it was kind of a pain, but hopefully you get the idea.

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4 hours ago, Bartin said:

Kawann's deal would look something like this. 5 year extension for $94.5 in new money($96M over 6 years) with a $30M signing bonus and $51M guaranteed. Ignore the dead money part because that isn't calculated correctly.

 

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I would be a bit surprised if the money worked out like this.  You are extrapolating the $16m per season over the 5 new years and the 4th year of the rookie contract.  His new money would be $94.5m for 5 extra contract years, which would average out to $18.9m for those years.  At that amount you could just keep him on his rookie salary this year and then try to resign him next.

One of the advantages of negotiating a year early is the ability to use the last year of the current contract to help absorb some of the cap hit. 

                 Salary                    Bonus                         Workout                         Cap hit

2016      1,500,000               6,000,000                                                            7,500,000

2017      7,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        14,000,000        

2018      8,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        15,000,000

2019      9,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        16,000,000

2020     10,500,000              6,000,000                      500,000                        17,000,000

2021     11,500,000                                                    500,000                        12,000,000

Think of it as a 5yr/80m (16 per year)  deal that starts after the last year of his rookie contract(2016).  Actually I wouldn't expect the big drop in cap hit the last year of the contract.  They would probably have a second option bonus in there somewhere and/or a greater increase in the salary of the later years.

The total for six years would be $81.5m for an average of $13.6m. 

One year of rookie contract at $1.5m plus 5 more years at $16m. 

Personally I'm hoping we can sign him for 13-14 a year for 5 years.  Here is 5yr/65m extension.

                Salary                     Bonus                         Option Bonus                     Cap hit

2016      1,500,000               4,000,000                                                              5,500,000

2017      3,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       9,000,000        

2018      5,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       11,000,000

2019      7,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       13,000,000

2020      9,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       15,000,000

2021     11,000,000                                                    2,000,000                       13,000,000

 

This last example is probably wishful thinking.  Based on some of the other DT contracts out there I could easily see the 15-16m per year range for Short.

 

 

               

 

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10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

I would be a bit surprised if the money worked out like this.  You are extrapolating the $16m per season over the 5 new years and the 4th year of the rookie contract.  His new money would be $94.5m for 5 extra contract years, which would average out to $18.9m for those years.  At that amount you could just keep him on his rookie salary this year and then try to resign him next.

One of the advantages of negotiating a year early is the ability to use the last year of the current contract to help absorb some of the cap hit. 

                 Salary                    Bonus                         Workout                         Cap hit

2016      1,500,000               6,000,000                                                            7,500,000

2017      7,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        14,000,000        

2018      8,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        15,000,000

2019      9,500,000               6,000,000                      500,000                        16,000,000

2020     10,500,000              6,000,000                      500,000                        17,000,000

2021     11,500,000                                                    500,000                        12,000,000

Think of it as a 5yr/80m (16 per year)  deal that starts after the last year of his rookie contract(2016).  Actually I wouldn't expect the big drop in cap hit the last year of the contract.  They would probably have a second option bonus in there somewhere and/or a greater increase in the salary of the later years.

The total for six years would be $81.5m for an average of $13.6m. 

One year of rookie contract at $1.5m plus 5 more years at $16m. 

Personally I'm hoping we can sign him for 13-14 a year for 5 years.  Here is 5yr/65m extension.

                Salary                     Bonus                         Option Bonus                     Cap hit

2016      1,500,000               4,000,000                                                              5,500,000

2017      3,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       9,000,000        

2018      5,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       11,000,000

2019      7,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       13,000,000

2020      9,000,000               4,000,000                      2,000,000                       15,000,000

2021     11,000,000                                                    2,000,000                       13,000,000

 

This last example is probably wishful thinking.  Based on some of the other DT contracts out there I could easily see the 15-16m per year range for Short.

 

 

               

 

You're right that is how I extrapolated the money and it depends on the perspective of how you present it to what the actual value of the contract is. The agent is going to say $18.9M/year and the team is going to say $16M/year. That's just what I think his market is. You can easily argue he is the best young DT in the league and his agent surely will. That puts him in the Suh money category. Your first one is the contract I want him to sign. I just have low expectations for that. Look at what Marcell Dareus just got. Short will top that. If it's somewhere between what we've posted then I will be very happy with the deal.

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