Josh Norman promises he won't hold out...

[PanthersBigD]

Gettleman is prudent, that doesn't mean he's a cheapskate. You pay the best price you can get for the best talent you can get. It's not like we asked Cam or Luke to take a 'hometown discount.' I trust Gettleman to be fair, and offer a competitive, but not wasteful price for Norman. Hopefully they can agree on a number that works for both of them. I'd love to keep Norman here. If not, I hope he makes 100 million off of the Raiders or something. 

[csx]

2 hours ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

why the fug is everyone here acting like he's gone after this year. If he balls out again this year, which he will because he is great, he will get his money with this team. In this league its all about winning super bowls and nothing else matters. norman will be a huge factor for us winning bowl's and without him we'd be taking a big step backwards and gettleman knows that. 

If he has another great year I think that makes it even less likely he returns. I think the best chance is for him to have a good but quiet year that lowers his profile.

[gorillamilitia13]

6 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

Do you actually believe Gman will give a 29 yr old CB a 4-5yr contract 14/15m per year next season? This isn't I'm dig in just curious.....and God knows what other teams like Oakland and Jacksonville will be offering....and don't forget Short and Star will need new deals on top of that, sorry to say but if a deal isn't worked out before next season it is more than likely JNo walks. If this was a Hurney regime JNo would be locked down by now but Gman hasn't shown he is that type of GM.

for a one of a kind player like Norman, yes I believe so. 29 is decently old but in Norman's case you got to look at the amount he's played over age. He has a lot of energy in him to produce for years to come from those seasons on the practice squad, not getting that much PT. 

[firefox1234]

2 hours ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

for a one of a kind player like Norman, yes I believe so. 29 is decently old but in Norman's case you got to look at the amount he's played over age. He has a lot of energy in him to produce for years to come from those seasons on the practice squad, not getting that much PT. 

Great player? Yes. One of a kind? I guess you agree with JNo's list of top CBs of all time but I guess we can agree to disagree but I think most would agree that Gman doesn't value JNo that high from current reports.

[iamhubby1]

9 hours ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

for a one of a kind player like Norman, yes I believe so. 29 is decently old but in Norman's case you got to look at the amount he's played over age. He has a lot of energy in him to produce for years to come from those seasons on the practice squad, not getting that much PT. 

 

Personally, I see it more as Gman has a set scale on what a position is worth. And I think that he and Josh's agent have two different views on just how much Josh is worth. We can only offer him so much money. We have a cap on what we can pay. Unfortunately, Josh wants more than we can pay.

 

Although, I really wish I knew what the amounts are that are being bandied about. How much? How far apart? Is it years? Guarantees? What the deal is? I gotta know.

 

7 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

Great player? Yes. One of a kind? I guess you agree with JNo's list of top CBs of all time but I guess we can agree to disagree but I think most would agree that Gman doesn't value JNo that high from current reports.

 

I don't think it is Josh the person. It is the fact that Gman just isn't going to pay one red cent more than he values. I'm sure he can be flexible to a certain extent. But in general terms. He is a bottom line type of guy. Nothing against Josh. But Gman has his pay scale, and Josh is outside it right now.

 

 

[gorillamilitia13]

On 3/8/2016 at 9:12 PM, firefox1234 said:

Great player? Yes. One of a kind? I guess you agree with JNo's list of top CBs of all time but I guess we can agree to disagree but I think most would agree that Gman doesn't value JNo that high from current reports.

To each their own, but have you seen a better Carolina Panther CB than Josh Norman? I for sure haven't and I've been a huge fan of this team since Testaverde took over in '07. He was this close to having two really nice interceptions in the super bowl. Also, don't forget about how he arguably won 2-3 games for us on his own in the first several weeks. Also this dude has a mindset every gm and coach wants a player to have. He believes he's the best in the game right now, and can end up as the best of all time and has been backing up all of his statements. Obviously I'm a huge JNo fan but its more than just his skill set its his personality and drive that make him a great asset for this team. There are many players in this league that are complacent with where they are because of the money they are making and don't strive on getting better, he's the opposite of that. And man if we let him go we are making a huge mistake and another team is getting a HELL of a player.

all this being said, I just got back from a migos concert and am pretty fuggin hammered. Great show. 

[gorillamilitia13]

20 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Personally, I see it more as Gman has a set scale on what a position is worth. And I think that he and Josh's agent have two different views on just how much Josh is worth. We can only offer him so much money. We have a cap on what we can pay. Unfortunately, Josh wants more than we can pay.

 

Although, I really wish I knew what the amounts are that are being bandied about. How much? How far apart? Is it years? Guarantees? What the deal is? I gotta know.

 

 

I don't think it is Josh the person. It is the fact that Gman just isn't going to pay one red cent more than he values. I'm sure he can be flexible to a certain extent. But in general terms. He is a bottom line type of guy. Nothing against Josh. But Gman has his pay scale, and Josh is outside it right now.

 

 

IF this is the case then I guess Gman needs to be a little more open minded. See above post. 

[iamhubby1]

31 minutes ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

IF this is the case then I guess Gman needs to be a little more open minded. See above post. 

 

Gman needs to be more open minded? Because? Players want more than he will offer, so he is close minded? The GM has 1 job to do. Supply the Head Coach with talent. Now the difference in Successful GMs and those other guys, is that Successful GMs work in congruence with their Head Coach. They have a similar mindset on what makes a good team. They work together to decide who/who not to bring in. They talk Football damm near daily. And they both realize that quality depth/competition breeds success.

 

The point being. Gman will do what he thinks is best for this team long term. With that in mind. It is telling that Gman and Josh have not been able to work out a deal. If Gman is willing to pay Josh damm near 14mil this year, he obviously thinks highly of him. I really am curious as to how much difference there is in what Gman is offering, and what Josh wants?

 

1) We can franchise Josh and enjoy having him around one last year.

 

2) We can work out a long term deal. Which seems unlikely at this time because the two sides seem so far apart. But then again, maybe Gman opens his wallet and pays Josh. Having Josh pretty much retire a Panther sets us up right goodly. Damm the consequenes. Who cares about long term effects. Josh shuts down half the field. Who can't use that.

 

3) We lose him next year. But in 3 years, he comes back as that grizzly Vet to help stabilize our young Back End.

 

I have to wonder that if we had a reliable CB, waiting in the wings, to play across from Bene', if we would have Tagged Josh?

 

 

[firefox1234]

6 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Gman needs to be more open minded? Because? Players want more than he will offer, so he is close minded? The GM has 1 job to do. Supply the Head Coach with talent. Now the difference in Successful GMs and those other guys, is that Successful GMs work in congruence with their Head Coach. They have a similar mindset on what makes a good team. They work together to decide who/who not to bring in. They talk Football damm near daily. And they both realize that quality depth/competition breeds success.

 

The point being. Gman will do what he thinks is best for this team long term. With that in mind. It is telling that Gman and Josh have not been able to work out a deal. If Gman is willing to pay Josh damm near 14mil this year, he obviously thinks highly of him. I really am curious as to how much difference there is in what Gman is offering, and what Josh wants?

 

1) We can franchise Josh and enjoy having him around one last year.

 

2) We can work out a long term deal. Which seems unlikely at this time because the two sides seem so far apart. But then again, maybe Gman opens his wallet and pays Josh. Having Josh pretty much retire a Panther sets us up right goodly. Damm the consequenes. Who cares about long term effects. Josh shuts down half the field. Who can't use that.

 

3) We lose him next year. But in 3 years, he comes back as that grizzly Vet to help stabilize our young Back End.

 

I have to wonder that if we had a reliable CB, waiting in the wings, to play across from Bene', if we would have Tagged Josh?

 

 

This.

And tagging Norman would probably have happened regardless, it's the most logical move if you have a player of his caliber but a long term deal cannot be reached.

 

7 hours ago, gorillamilitia13 said:

To each their own, but have you seen a better Carolina Panther CB than Josh Norman? I for sure haven't and I've been a huge fan of this team since Testaverde took over in '07. He was this close to having two really nice interceptions in the super bowl. Also, don't forget about how he arguably won 2-3 games for us on his own in the first several weeks. Also this dude has a mindset every gm and coach wants a player to have. He believes he's the best in the game right now, and can end up as the best of all time and has been backing up all of his statements. Obviously I'm a huge JNo fan but its more than just his skill set its his personality and drive that make him a great asset for this team. There are many players in this league that are complacent with where they are because of the money they are making and don't strive on getting better, he's the opposite of that. And man if we let him go we are making a huge mistake and another team is getting a HELL of a player.

all this being said, I just got back from a migos concert and am pretty fuggin hammered. Great show. 

When a team decides to submit to JNo's demands they will get a 29 yr old CB going on 30 on 14m/yr+ locked in for 4-5 yrs, I don't know about you but that sounds like Hurney talk to me. I hope both sides can find a solution like with CJ earlier but if Gman valued JNo as highly as you and JNo himself do they would not be as far apart on the agreements as they are now. He may be a good CB but the circumstances say he isn't worth the investment....and I'm not implying he doesn't deserve to be paid just not gonna be at Charlotte is all....

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

This is Norman's last year as a Panther

Deal with it

What he brings isn't worth the CAP hell

Norman should go get the biggest contract he can

[gorillamilitia13]

10 hours ago, firefox1234 said:

This.

And tagging Norman would probably have happened regardless, it's the most logical move if you have a player of his caliber but a long term deal cannot be reached.

 

When a team decides to submit to JNo's demands they will get a 29 yr old CB going on 30 on 14m/yr+ locked in for 4-5 yrs, I don't know about you but that sounds like Hurney talk to me. I hope both sides can find a solution like with CJ earlier but if Gman valued JNo as highly as you and JNo himself do they would not be as far apart on the agreements as they are now. He may be a good CB but the circumstances say he isn't worth the investment....and I'm not implying he doesn't deserve to be paid just not gonna be at Charlotte is all....

Y'all definitely have some good points, I guess its just more me really not wanting him to be on another team.