It's Time To Acknowledge The Elephant In The Room

[RickyManningJr]

Just now, Floppin said:

I'm 33 and technically by definition a millennial. I still remember watching the player that you use as your user name be able to assault receivers all the way down the field. It was the 5 yard rule that basically ended his career, because it was a rule and it got enforced and he wasn't good enough without being able to just beat up receivers through the routes.

You're basically making an argument that players like Ricky Manning Jr should have been able to continue to be physical down field against larger receivers because it's just not fair otherwise.

Rules are rules and you look stupid trying to justify or downplay Cam not getting the same protection as other QBs.

This is where I am being unclear.  I am not trying to choose one side or the other.  I am trying to say that the first two plays were honestly borderline.  This guy is on here claiming he has gotten concussions for less?   Get out of here.  By the letter of the law, yes they should have been flagged.  I am simply trying to explain why those flags were not thrown.  Not justifying it or agreeing with it, I just see where they are coming from in officiating the game that way.

 

I am actually younger than you.  I guess by millennials I mean the guys that have never had two a day practices and get participation trophies.  That is my target audience.

[Carl Spackler]

1 minute ago, RickyManningJr said:

This is where I am being unclear.  I am not trying to choose one side or the other.  I am trying to say that the first two plays were honestly borderline.  This guy is on here claiming he has gotten concussions for less?   Get out of here.  By the letter of the law, yes they should have been flagged.  I am simply trying to explain why those flags were not thrown.  Not justifying it or agreeing with it, I just see where they are coming from in officiating the game that way.

 

I am actually younger than you.  I guess by millennials I mean the guys that have never had two a day practices and get participation trophies.  That is my target audience.

I'm not surprised that you're younger because you have the maturity of a 10-year-old and the reading comprehension skills of Helen Keller

I said I've gotten concussions from helmet-to-helmet hits that were, as you called them, "glancing," even after I showed you a gif proving beyond any shadow of a doubt -- at least for those with a functioning brain -- that they were more than glancing. I didn't say it was about race. I attacked your stupid post that feebly attempted to justify the hits because Cam is bigger than other players. If you don't like someone taking apart that argument, it's probably best to not post about it, because multiple posters proved you wrong and made you look like the immature ass that you are.

[RickyManningJr]

Just now, Carl Spackler said:

I'm not surprised that you're younger because you have the maturity of a 10-year-old and the reading comprehension skills of Helen Keller

I said I've gotten concussions from helmet-to-helmet hits that were, as you called them, "glancing," even after I showed you a gif proving beyond any shadow of a doubt -- at least for those with a functioning brain -- that they were more than glancing. I didn't say it was about race. I attacked your stupid post that feebly attempted to justify the hits because Cam is bigger than other players. If you don't like someone taking apart that argument, it's probably best to not post about it, because multiple posters proved you wrong and made you look like the immature ass that you are.

More insults and no new information or thoughts brought into the argument? 

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, RickyManningJr said:

More insults and no new information or thoughts brought into the argument? 

Are you capable of reading, or do you create your responses as soon as you get the notification? I just explained everything in as simple a way as possible without meeting you in person and writing it out in crayon.

[RickyManningJr]

6 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

This is where I am being unclear.  I am not trying to choose one side or the other.  I am trying to say that the first two plays were honestly borderline.  This guy is on here claiming he has gotten concussions for less?   Get out of here.  By the letter of the law, yes they should have been flagged.  I am simply trying to explain why those flags were not thrown.  Not justifying it or agreeing with it, I just see where they are coming from in officiating the game that way.

 

I am actually younger than you.  I guess by millennials I mean the guys that have never had two a day practices and get participation trophies.  That is my target audience.

 

6 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

I am not trying to choose one side or the other. By the letter of the law, yes they should have been flagged.  I am simply trying to explain why those flags were not thrown.  Not justifying it or agreeing with it, I just see where they are coming from in officiating the game that way.

 

[Proudiddy]

9 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I completely agree with the head calls last night. You're 100% right about that. But in general I think Cam gets treated like Shaq. A game changer because of his size and abilities. It still exists in the NBA for players like Dwight Howard. It likely won't change for Cam either.

And no doubt, I expect a little of that...  But, there is a huge difference between missing some calls/choosing not to make some calls based off the uniqueness of his talent and build versus allowing straight up free for alls on him.

The Shaq, Howard, and Lebron examples are perfect in this case.  Yes, they are called differently, and sure they are roughed up a little more than other players, but they still come out above average in fouls called for them.  I don't have the stats for Cam, but just off the top of the head, I would venture to guess he well below average in personal fouls drawn compared to his peers.  I understand letting some stuff go because he is so unique, but this goes beyond that...  it appears to be a complete disregard for his safety and the way they call his games almost invite more personal fouls.  That is a problem.

[Pox 08]

It's universally known that bigger qbs have much bigger brains and skulls made of metal,  so helmet to helmet hits don't have the same impact on them as they would a smaller qb.  

 

 

[Moorgan]

Just now, Proudiddy said:

And no doubt, I expect a little of that...  But, there is a huge difference between missing some calls/choosing not to make some calls based off the uniqueness of his talent and build versus allowing straight up free for alls on him.

The Shaq, Howard, and Lebron examples are perfect in this case.  Yes, they are called differently, and sure they are roughed up a little more than other players, but they still come out above average in fouls called for them.  I don't have the stats for Cam, but just off the top of the head, I would venture to guess he well below average in personal fouls drawn compared to his peers.  I understand letting some stuff go because he is so unique, but this goes beyond that...  it appears to be a complete disregard for his safety and the way they call his games almost invite more personal fouls.  That is a problem.

I'll agree with that. I really think that a) refs are generally bad at their jobs b) refs treat Cam differently and it's wrong and c) that the refs are not consciously not calling things on him but they are instead confused by him and also see a) again.

[Darvinsun]

30 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

I guess you didnt read anything I posted. My argument is that by the letter or the rulebook, yes they should be penalized. However, similar to LeBron, Cams unhuman athleticism the refs are choosing not to flag borderline/incidental helmet contact. You argue like a 14 year old girl. Throw out some discussion instead of trying to throw out sweet disses.

If you are leading with your head it does not matter if it is incident lyrics only the area that is targeted...head area is a no no regardless luv tap or not..it's not their job to decide how soft the hit is just location and whether the head was used to deliver blow

[Darvinsun]

5 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

I'll agree with that. I really think that a) refs are generally bad at their jobs b) refs treat Cam differently and it's wrong and c) that the refs are not consciously not calling things on him but they are instead confused by him and also see a) again.

Basketball is not the same..you can not even compare fouls the same...there is no comparison to football..you can only compare him to big ben..and I don't recall big Ben ever being attacked in this way and not get a flag...a foul is a foul stop trying to judge by how hard a hit is and how big a person is ..everybody thrash hold for pain is different..who are you to say cause he is big it is not a foul..has nothing to do with it.

[Darvinsun]

1 minute ago, Darvinsun said:

Basketball is not the same..you can not even compare fouls the same...there is no comparison to football..you can only compare him to big ben..and I don't recall big Ben ever being attacked in this way and not get a flag...a foul is a foul stop trying to judge by how hard a hit is and how big a person is ..everybody thrash hold for pain is different..who are you to say cause he is big it is not a foul..has nothing to do with it.

If it's going to be that way then they should have a weight class like boxing..

[RickyManningJr]

13 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

If you are leading with your head it does not matter if it is incident lyrics only the area that is targeted...head area is a no no regardless luv tap or not..it's not their job to decide how soft the hit is just location and whether the head was used to deliver blow

I respect your opinion.  I just don't think the refs have all the tools available in the rule book to fairly officiate Cam.  He does not fit into the mold of any quarterback.  Running backs take shots to the head every carry.  I just sympathize with the refs.  I do not blame them for not throwing a flag on Brandon Marshall for incidentally touching helmets with Cam jumping to deflect a pass that Cam threw at the line of scrimmage when Cam could have easily pulled the ball down and trucked him for a first down.

[Moorgan]

2 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Basketball is not the same..you can not even compare fouls the same...there is no comparison to football..you can only compare him to big ben..and I don't recall big Ben ever being attacked in this way and not get a flag...a foul is a foul stop trying to judge by how hard a hit is and how big a person is ..everybody thrash hold for pain is different..who are you to say cause he is big it is not a foul..has nothing to do with it.

They are very comparable. Size affects how refs view a player. Regardless of sport. The Shaq issue was because refs didn't really know what to do with him. I think Cam is the same way. Big Ben doesn't run effectively like Cam but he is probably the closest comparison. But Cam's effectiveness running the ball and escaping confuses the refs I think. 

Either that or it's a conspiracy. I don't know.

[Darvinsun]

3 minutes ago, RickyManningJr said:

I respect your opinion.  I just don't think the refs have all the tools available in the rule book to fairly officiate Cam.  He does not fit into the mold of any quarterback.  Running backs take shots to the head every carry.  I just sympathize with the refs.  I do not blame them for not throwing a flag on Brandon Marshall for incidentally touching helmets with Cam jumping to deflect a pass that Cam threw at the line of scrimmage when Cam could have easily pulled the ball down and trucked him for a first down.

Mold has nothing to do with it..that is what I am saying..if you are going to negate his size then why allow him to play with small guys...equality means it goes for everyone not just the small guys. Just like racism .Cam is playing totally handicap size and skin color.