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13 minutes ago, rhyslloyd said:

 


He can't even sniff a championship in the NBA, and you think he'll magically win a Super Bowl? Wow.


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I think if you understood the difference between the two leagues you might not say something like this.

I'm not rallying for Jordan as owner and it will never happen. Your statement doesn't make sense given the realities of the two leagues.

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11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

As to the topic, Jordan hasn't really proven he can be an effective owner in the sport he knows inside and out.

Not sure what about his resume' would qualify him as effective owner in a sport he never even played.

Not really rallying for Jordan as owner, but how can you say this and then go after anyone who talks down on JR, when he's the owner of a franchise that also is below .500 overall and only had a winning record for 6 out of the 21 seasons he's been owner. Not to mention, it's much easier in the NFL to produce winning organizations than the NBA. Has JR proven to be an effective owner?

 

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12 hours ago, Kevin Greene said:

So we're gonna suck like the Charlotte basketball team?

Again, the NFL and NBA are two totally different beasts. I don't think you can use what MJ has done in the NBA to determine how he'd be in the NFL. 

Also, the Hornets don't suck. Winning season last year and look to produce an even better season this year. Back to back winning seasons. Something our NFL franchise can't seem to do. Are the Hornets championship contenders, nah? NBA is a different beast though

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Just now, Kakarot said:

Not really rallying for Jordan as owner, but how can you say this and then go after anyone who talks down on JR, when he's the owner of a franchise that also is below .500 overall and only had a winning record for 6 out of the 21 seasons he's been owner. Not to mention, it's much easier in the NFL to produce winning organizations than the NBA.

What you'll generally see me defend against is the ridiculous caricature some people put on Richardson as a Scrooge McDuck type.  Anyone who's worked directly with him would tell you Richardson the person is as solid a guy as you'll find.

Richardson the owner?  Well...

JR is a guy with good intentions who screwed up a lot in his first several years of running the team. His biggest flaw was probably valuing loyalty over performance, hence why Marty Hurney could still have job security at a point well past where everybody could see he wasn't up to the task.

But with that fiasco ended, Richardson did the smart thing and left the football decisions in the hands of someone who was better at it (Ernie Accorsi first, Dave Gettleman later).

I see Richardson as having learned to get smart people in place and let them do their jobs.

I'm not convinced of that re: Jordan just yet.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

What you'll generally see me defend against is the ridiculous caricature some people put on Richardson as a Scrooge McDuck type.  Anyone who's worked directly with him would tell you Richardson the person is as solid a guy as you'll find.

Richardson the owner?  Well...

JR is a guy with good intentions who screwed up a lot in his first several years of running the team. His biggest flaw was probably valuing loyalty over performance, hence why Marty Hurney could still have job security at a point well past where everybody could see he wasn't up to the task.

But with that fiasco ended, Richardson did the smart thing and left the football decisions in the hands of someone who was better at it (Ernie Accorsi first, Dave Gettleman later).

I see Richardson as having learned to get smart people in place and let them do their jobs.

I'm not convinced of that re: Jordan just yet.

Most of this I agree with. Don't agree with the notion of not being convinced on Jordan. Jordan seemed to stop making basketball decisions and got a guy in there to do that (Cho). He also is on the verge of leading the Hornets to winning records for 3 out of the 4 seasons he's been owner. If you can be convinced on JR, than I see no reason why you shouldn't be convinced of MJ; especially when his product has been winning on a more consistent basis (I do recognize the sample size isn't fair, as MJ has owned the Hornets less than JR has owned the Panthers).

I don't know if this is you or not, but most people spew crap about MJ and the Hornets due to what they've heard from someone else. A lot of the ones who spew crap really have no interest in the hornets or the NBA in general.

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5 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

Most of this I agree with. Don't agree with the notion of not being convinced on Jordan. Jordan seemed to stop making basketball decisions and got a guy in there to do that (Cho). He also is on the verge of leading the Hornets to winning records for 3 out of the 4 seasons he's been owner. If you can be convinced on JR, than I see no reason why you shouldn't be convinced of MJ; especially when his product has been winning on a more consistent basis (I do recognize the sample size isn't fair, as MJ has owned the Hornets less than JR has owned the Panthers).

I don't know if this is you or not, but most people spew crap about MJ and the Hornets due to what they've heard from someone else. A lot of the ones who spew crap really have no interest in the hornets.

I won't say I "spew crap" on the Hornets or Jordan but I will admit my knowledge of the Hornets is not as directly informed as my knowledge of the Panthers.  So I'll accept that your read on it is likely more up to date than mine.

That said, I'd still prefer someone with a football background in ownership of the Panthers.  Hence why I'm not a fan of the Bruton Smith option either.  That one sounds like an absolute disaster just waiting to happen.

So based on what I know of those options, I'd opt for Jordan over the Smith family, but neither would be my first choice.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I won't say I "spew crap" on the Hornets or Jordan but I will admit my knowledge of the Hornets is not as directly informed as my knowledge of the Panthers.  So I'll accept that your read on it is likely more up to date than mine.

That said, I'd still prefer someone with a football background in ownership of the Panthers.  Hence why I'm not a fan of the Bruton Smith option either.  That one sounds like an absolute disaster just waiting to happen.

So based on what I know of those options, I'd opt for Jordan over the Smith family, but neither would be my first choice.

I can dig that. Fair enough.

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What is all this NBA talk about?

The NFL and the NBA are very different beasts and the games of football and basketball are as well. There are only a handful of teams in the NBA that have a legit chance of competing for a championship.  Individual players can make a lot bigger difference in basketball than they can in football. If you don't have one of the true superstars in the league, you're not winning a championship. Simple as that.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I won't say I "spew crap" on the Hornets or Jordan but I will admit my knowledge of the Hornets is not as directly informed as my knowledge of the Panthers.  So I'll accept that your read on it is likely more up to date than mine.

That said, I'd still prefer someone with a football background in ownership of the Panthers.  Hence why I'm not a fan of the Bruton Smith option either.  That one sounds like an absolute disaster just waiting to happen.

So based on what I know of those options, I'd opt for Jordan over the Smith family, but neither would be my first choice.

I'm pretty sure we are the only team who's owner has a football background. What do you mean by owner with a football background? The chances of that are virtually zero.

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Just now, csx said:

I'm pretty sure we are the only team who's owner has a football background. What do you mean by owner with a football background? The chances of that are virtually zero.

Not saying he has to be a former player.

Meaning I'd prefer someone who didn't make his name and fortune in another sport, or has at least had some kind of affiliation with football prior to suddenly buying a team.

Passing it down to Jon Richardson would have been great, but that's not happening now.

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not saying he has to be a former player.

Meaning I'd prefer someone who didn't make his name and fortune in another sport, or has at least had some kind of affiliation with football prior to suddenly buying a team.

Passing it down to Jon Richardson would have been great, but that's not happening now.

Like I said that is virtually a zero percent chance of happening. other than AL Davis I can't think of any recent precedent.

To me that sounds worse than an owner that knows nothing and knows it.

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3 minutes ago, csx said:

Like I said that is virtually a zero percent chance of happening. other than AL Davis I can't think of any recent precedent.

To me that sounds worse than an owner that knows nothing and knows it.

The Rooneys in Pittsburgh, the Mara family in New York, Halas-McCaskey family in Chicago, the Hunt Family in Kansas City, the Bowlen family in Denver, and the Brown family in Cincinnati.

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19 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Lol. Using facts from reliable sources that the public can access means your an inside man? 

The fact he's a more trustworthy user than you trolls makes him a complete douche because he doesn't agree with many gettleman haters weak arguments?

If anything he calls out anyone who attempts to say they're insiders. Please, just stop. Irrelevant at this stage.

What stage 

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