Dave Gettleman, Norman, & The Divison

[Teach_Panther]

Just now, The_Rainmaker said:

yea sure we have plenty of cap space to keep the major core along with  replacing other  with draft like Norman : ) 

This team kicked Greg Hardy off the team for a NC bench trial. They could lose Short and bring Hardy back for cheap and be better.  Charles Johnson is 31 year old DE, but they will throw max money at him but balk on Norman despite the fact that the kid had hardly played before he got to Carolina.

[Saca312]

3 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

 

Our unquestioned leader decides it best to release Norman for nothing while--once again---ignoring our OL, which is getting our MVP killed.

 

Trai Turner

Gino Gradkowski as Kalil insurance

Andrew Norwell

Michael Oher

And even Remmers (now should be considered solid depth)

certainly substantial fixes over Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, and co

Oh wait. Forgot. You only hopped on in 2015 and never experienced those days.

[The_Rainmaker]

3 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Says the kid who tried to use Madden to back up some of his statements.

Funny, haven't replied to what I said yet either.

I brought you stats and statistics

where not talking about madden here bro just go look at the orginal post :) BTW you don't have anyting to counter this anyway so go back to you master.  

[Saca312]

1 minute ago, The_Rainmaker said:

where not talking about madden here bro just go look at the orginal post :) BTW you don't have anyting to counter this anyway so go back to you master.  

I already gave you 2 links, one basic contract and cap space dealings and one on the statistics of teams that spend in free agency typically don't do well overall, or for very long.

 

[The_Rainmaker]

 

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

The guy to whom I responded had it as a given that Norman was going to sign the franchise tag.

Norman was NEVER going to sign the franchise tag.

You and Rainmaker may make up in your dreams that Norman was going to sign the franchise tag, but that doesn't make it real.

 

I'll take Norman's word over deh Huddlers anyday along with some profit makers here. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Saca312 said:

I already gave you 2 links, one basic contract and cap space dealings and one on the statistics of teams that spend in free agency typically don't do well overall, or for very long.

He doesn't know how to argue actual facts.

His next response will likely be to link something that doesn't actually say what he thinks it says and doesn't really pertain to his point, but he'll act like it does (and he's dumb enough to think that kind of thing bolsters his argument).

Failing that, he'll probably just say something childish.

[mcdougal]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Trai Turner

Gino Gradkowski as Kalil insurance

Andrew Norwell

Michael Oher

And even Remmers (now should be considered solid depth)

certainly substantial fixes over Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, and co

Oh wait. Forgot. You only hopped on in 2015 and never experienced those days.

 

I am sorry, when I said upgrading the OL I do not mean trading trash so you can sign cheaper/different trash.

What I mean is INVESTING in the OL by spending high quality and quality draft picks and by signing OL free agents/trading that are impact players. Even Oher was considered barely starting OT quality when he was signed for the cheap, cheap.

If the Panthers treated our OL 1/2 as a priority as we treat or DL/ defense in general...you would have a point. Instead 6 season into Newton's career...which began with the worst offense in NFL history, he is still being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken poo.

[heel31ok]

8 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Trai Turner

Gino Gradkowski as Kalil insurance

Andrew Norwell

Michael Oher

And even Remmers (now should be considered solid depth)

certainly substantial fixes over Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, and co

Oh wait. Forgot. You only hopped on in 2015 and never experienced those days.

the big issue was Oher.. I guess g-man didn't get the memo that he was a 1 yr stop gap.Now it has become a major problem...he rolled the dice and lost...now we are at least a yr behind on development of decent OT talent...which follows up our being behind at CB since Gamble left...

[heel31ok]

We cant wait til that magical starting Lt just appears we have to have some development going on or we fall further and further behind...like we are doing now

[Saca312]

Just now, mcdougal said:

I am sorry, when I said upgrading the OL I do not mean trading trash so you can sign cheaper/different trash.

What I mean is INVESTING in the OL by spending high quality and quality draft picks and by signing OL free agents/trading that are impact players. Even Oher was considered barely starting OT quality when he was signed for the cheap, cheap.

If the Panthers treated our OL 1/2 as a priority as we treat or DL/ defense in general...you would have a point. Instead 6 season into Newton's career...which began with the worst offense in NFL history, he is still being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken poo.

So, Daryl Williams is trash? He's looking the part when everyone's mostly healthy, and held his own for the most part over some weeks.

Andrew Norwell is trash? He's been a solis guard.

Extended Ryan Kalil, a key piece.

So, Trai Turner regressed? Fair, because he doesn't have all pro C Kalil beside him anchoring the oline, but still solid for the most part. But he was a probowler last season, so understand he's been a solid pickup.

Sure, arguable for LT, but a substantia upgrade over our old trash, and he was solid most of last year.

Again, injuries killed us this year.

Please though, entertain us some more with how these guys when healthy are all trash?

 

 

[Teach_Panther]

Most competitive teams have impact players at all 3 levels of defense and offense.  BB does this... they move around a lot of trades and sub players at will. They convince players to take lesser contracts for sure. FA is very overrated.  If you notice, the Patriots usually trade away those FA guys, and maximize their draft value. However, there is a time to do that and there is a time not to do that. You don't drop the best player on your defense when you are in championship window, i.e Josh Norman.  You ride that until the wheels come off.  The void in the secondary this year is difference between the record now and probably playing for the division lead with a veteran team that went to the SB last year.

[The_Rainmaker]

7 minutes ago, mcdougal said:

I am sorry, when I said upgrading the OL I do not mean trading trash so you can sign cheaper/different trash.

What I mean is INVESTING in the OL by spending high quality and quality draft picks and by signing OL free agents/trading that are impact players. Even Oher was considered barely starting OT quality when he was signed for the cheap, cheap.

If the Panthers treated our OL 1/2 as a priority as we treat or DL/ defense in general...you would have a point. Instead 6 season into Newton's career...which began with the worst offense in NFL history, he is still being asked to make chicken salad out of chicken poo.

 

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He doesn't know how to argue actual facts.

His next response will likely be to link something that doesn't actually say what he thinks it says and doesn't really pertain to his point, but he'll act like it does (and he's dumb enough to think that kind of thing bolsters his argument).

Failing that, he'll probably just say something childish.

I like OTs to be in top 10 like how we have our DTs cause you know they are going to face preimum talent. Williams is a good pick up but we should have invested in the OTs long ago in the draft.

Stay Green my friend. 

You may think you know somethinng about football but you really dont  :) 

 

[Teach_Panther]

4 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

 

I like OTs to be in top 10 like how we have our DTs cause you know they are going to face preimum talent. Williams is a good pick up but we should have invested in the OTs long ago in the draft.

Stay Green my friend. 

You may think you know somethinng about football but you really dont  :) 

 

Forgot to mention one of those impact levels is offensive line, and usually RT.

[The_Rainmaker]

2 minutes ago, Teach_Panther said:

Forgot to mention one of those impact levels is offensive line, and usually RT.

especially being phyiscal  a run first team while  having the best dual threat QB. Its similar to giving Luke Star, KK, Butler, Ealy, etc but its not okay for Cam to get premium talent.