I can't stand Ron Rivera

[Panthers8969]

6 hours ago, BIGH2001 said:

Ron's approach is not working anymore.  He won't adapt or change his philosophy enough to be consistently successful - the same problem this franchise has had with every coach.  

The next hire needs to be a young guy who is not set in his ways and is willing to change when things aren't working and bring some fire to this team. The "career defensive coordinator" approach to selecting a coach has yielded a good season or two sandwiched around a bunch of mediocrity and, at times, very amateur performances. 

Mcvay would’ve been a great hire. I agree with the young guy who can adapt approach. None of god old guy set in his (losing) ways

[CRA]

13 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I like Ron Rivera the person. He's a good man, high character, as nice as you'll find. 

But Ron Rivera the coach isn't very good at his job. And he refuses to hold any of his staff accountable. 

That's the guy I don't like. 

that is NFL the fraternity of the NFL coaching world.    Very few NFL coaches throw their staff under the bus.  You just aren't going to hear it.   They might fire someone when the heat gets too hot but they aren't going to trash him before it happens. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, CRA said:

that is NFL the fraternity of the NFL coaching world.    Very few NFL coaches throw their staff under the bus.  You just aren't going to hear it.   They might fire someone when the heat gets too hot but they aren't going to trash him before it happens. 

But most take responsibility, saying things like "we didn't do our job as coaches" or "that's on us/me". 

I can't recall a time I ever heard Rivera blame anyone but the players. 

[CRA]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

But most take responsibility, saying things like "we didn't do our job as coaches" or "that's on us/me". 

I can't recall a time I ever heard Rivera blame anyone but the players. 

I don't think Shula is the issue.  I mean Shula is what he is.  I mean that has to be accepted at this point. Ron knows that.  Ron is content with that. 

But players clearly aren't executing and winning their one on one jobs......hardly at all.

 

 

and like I mentioned early, this is the 2nd best start of Ron's career (excluding the 15-1 dream season).  The sky definitely isn't' falling for Ron like it is here.  Plus he has gotten off to his 2nd best start while missing tons of Pro Bowlers and starters.   So to expect him to throw Shula to the wolves just isn't going to happen.....nor should it IMO. 

It isn't like players are playing well and it is just all bad play calls.  Too many guys are blowing some very basic stuff out there.  That will implode even Shula's good calls. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think Shula is the issue.  I mean Shula is what he is.  I mean that has to be accepted at this point. Ron knows that.  Ron is content with that. 

But players clearly aren't executing and winning their one on one jobs......hardly at all.

and like I mentioned early, this is the 2nd best start of Ron's career (excluding the 15-1 dream season).  The sky definitely isn't' falling for Ron like it is here.  Plus he has gotten off to his 2nd best start while missing tons of Pro Bowlers and starters.   So to expect him to throw Shula to the wolves just isn't going to happen.....nor should it IMO. 

It isn't like players are playing well and it is just all bad play calls.  Too many guys are blowing some very basic stuff out there.  That will implode even Shula's good calls. 

Said it elsewhere: multiple players half-assing or having issues points back to coaching. Though that's more Rivera than Shula. 

Have also said multiple times that Shula's play designs bug me way more than his play calling. That said, even at his best, Shula was never as good in the red zone. Hence, why we all too often settle for field goals. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Said it elsewhere: multiple players half-assing or having issues points back to coaching. Though that's more Rivera than Shula. 

Have also said multiple times that Shula's play designs bug me way more than his play calling. That said, even at his best, Shula was never as good in the red zone. Hence, why we all too often settle for field goals. 

I agree on the half assing.  Just a bunch of dudes going through the motions.  Team has lacked fire for some time.  Last offensive player w/ legit fire was 89.  Only dude on D that really is consistently intense is Luke.  I agree on the Ron criticism.   That is an issue. 

Hell, I even yelled at my screen last Sunday at Thomas Davis (never done that).  He was jogging watching someone else hopefully make a stop. 

[Popsickle]

12 minutes ago, CRA said:

I don't think Shula is the issue.  I mean Shula is what he is.  I mean that has to be accepted at this point. Ron knows that.  Ron is content with that. 

But players clearly aren't executing and winning their one on one jobs......hardly at all.

 

 

and like I mentioned early, this is the 2nd best start of Ron's career (excluding the 15-1 dream season).  The sky definitely isn't' falling for Ron like it is here.  Plus he has gotten off to his 2nd best start while missing tons of Pro Bowlers and starters.   So to expect him to throw Shula to the wolves just isn't going to happen.....nor should it IMO. 

It isn't like players are playing well and it is just all bad play calls.  Too many guys are blowing some very basic stuff out there.  That will implode even Shula's good calls. 

The offense is consistently the weak link, the defensive was missing Luke and Kurt and only allowed 3 points yesterday,  and are executing extremely well. 

While the offense looks like the Little Giants out there trying to run the Annexation of Puerto Rico (not the time it worked in the big game). 

They, the offense, consistently fail, and who is ultimately responsible for everything the offense does and fails to do, the offensive coordinator. 

RR is enabling Shula by not firing his punk ass, the problem starts at the top of the chain with RR, and runs through every offensive coach. 

 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Popsickle said:

The offense is consistently the weak link, the defensive was missing Luke and Kurt and only allowed 3 points yesterday,  and are executing extremely well. 

While the offense looks like the Little Giants out there trying to run the Annexation of Puerto Rico (not the time it worked in the big game). 

They, the offense, consistently fail, and who is ultimately responsible for everything the offense does and fails to do, the offensive coordinator. 

RR is enabling Shula by not firing his punk ass, the problem starts at the top of the chain with RR, and runs through every offensive coach. 

 

offense is missing their All Pro C and All Pro TE (who also in the #1 WR in this offense).....plus there is the whole fact that an offense built on having a vertical threat let the one threat walk and didn't replace him (Samuel was not a vertical threat replacement).

I mean there are reasons they offense isn't working and it ain't all Shula.  Shula ain't going to help you get out of a jam though. 

[Popsickle]

The issue I have with the offense is that, week by week, hell year by year we keep doing the same thing and are expecting a different result. We do not learn from our mistakes, but instead continue to bash our collective heads against a wall. 

If you cannot adapt to the situation you are in, you are worthless. This goes for any employee across any field. If you can't motivate, educate and prepare your employees for new challenges, again you're worthless.