What If... Marty Just Did Something That Will Make You Love Him?

[Anybodyhome]

Let's just... for old time sake.... revisit the Marty Hurney firing:

"This was an extremely difficult decision," team owner Jerry Richardson said in a statement released by the team. "Marty made every effort to bring success to the Panthers and took the team to a Super Bowl and two NFC Championship Games. Unfortunately, we have not enjoyed the success we hoped for in recent years. I have the greatest respect and admiration for Marty and will always appreciate the way he tirelessly served the organization."

Hurney also made it clear that he was fired and didn't resign.

"I'm not a quitter. The hardest thing about this is my final record for the season is 1-5. That's a hard one to live with. I haven't lost confidence in my ability."

The Panthers went to the Super Bowl in the 2003 season and the NFC Championship Game in the 2005 season. But Carolina hasn't had a winning season since 2008 and never had back-to-back winning seasons in Hurney's tenure.

"I am very fortunate to have been a part of one of the best organizations in the NFL since 1998," Hurney said earlier Monday, in the statement announcing his firing. "As general manager, I will always regret not helping us win the Super Bowl or having back-to-back winning seasons. I hope this change starts accomplishing the direction to those goals.

"I understand this decision by Mr. Richardson and will always have an extremely close relationship with him. I consider him the best owner in the NFL. I am responsible for everybody in coaching, the players, the scouts and everybody in football operations. After six weeks, we are 1-5 coming off a 6-10 season."

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Everyone should be confident and comfortable that Hurney will get this team back to where it belongs..... never having back-to-back winning seasons. 

[simmonsab]

1 minute ago, heel31ok said:

how many years? to hear some of you tell it we spent decades over the cap...

We gave Beason and Williams those deals in 2011. Now, in 2017, this is the first year we've actually been able to sign a FA with some decent money (although Kalil has been average, at best). Other than that, we've had to pick up pocket change guys that we've been lucky to have panned out (Ginn, Mike Mitchell). 

Those contracts took a toll on us for years. We've just now recovered from it. 

[heel31ok]

Just now, simmonsab said:

We gave Beason and Williams those deals in 2011. Now, in 2017, this is the first year we've actually been able to sign a FA with some decent money (although Kalil has been average, at best). Other than that, we've had to pick up pocket change guys that we've been lucky to have panned out (Ginn, Mike Mitchell). 

Those contracts took a toll on us for years. We've just now recovered from it. 

how so...the numbers don't really show that...

[heel31ok]

what kind of cap  space do you consider having decent money to spend ...

[uncfan888]

15 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

i agree with your premise... my comment was more the parallel between the two...whining about the one when both did the same its a matter of who you like and don't like...they are two sides of the same coin...

And yet, you bitch about Gettleman and prop up hurney. Funny how that works

[The Righteous Troll]

11 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

i agree with your premise... my comment was more the parallel between the two...whining about the one when both did the same its a matter of who you like and don't like...they are two sides of the same coin...

I agree somewhat. Josh was WAY more valuable than the compensatory pick that the Panthers got for him. It's all about value in the draft but it was dumb to pull the tag period..I hoenstly thought Norman was in some legal trouble that had not gotten out yet as to why the tag was rescinded 

6 minutes ago, simmonsab said:

We gave Beason and Williams those deals in 2011. Now, in 2017, this is the first year we've actually been able to sign a FA with some decent money (although Kalil has been average, at best). Other than that, we've had to pick up pocket change guys that we've been lucky to have panned out (Ginn, Mike Mitchell). 

Those contracts took a toll on us for years. We've just now recovered from it. 

Can I have what your smoking. Matt Kalil is AWFUL compared to the money Gettleman paid him. He might as well paid Josh if he is gonna throw away money like Hurney was.

[Harbingers]

15 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

 

The Panthers went to the Super Bowl in the 2003 season and the NFC Championship Game in the 2005 season. 

Hurney, 

2003, 2005, 2008. 1 SB lose, 1 NFC lose. 2 division championships. 11 years.

Gettleman,

2013, 2014, 2015. 1 SB lose, 3 division championships(record obtained.)... wait for it.... wait for it... 4 years and a draft. 

So there... anybody see a difference? Anybody see the crackpot JR must have been smoking? 

 

 

 

[heel31ok]

Just now, uncfan888 said:

And yet, you bitch about Gettleman and prop up hurney. Funny how that works

I don't prop up Hurney...I do hate G-man and that is no secret but I have not offered much in the way of love for hurney or any propping up ... this isn't a zero sum issue... hating G-man doesn't mean i love Hurney...what's funny is how you miss the point ...

[simmonsab]

1 minute ago, The Righteous Troll said:

I agree somewhat. Josh was WAY more valuable than the compensatory pick that the Panthers got for him. It's all about value in the draft but it was dumb to pull the tag period..I hoenstly thought Norman was in some legal trouble that had not gotten out yet as to why the tag was rescinded 

Can I have what your smoking. Matt Kalil is AWFUL compared to the money Gettleman paid him. He might as well paid Josh if he is gonna throw away money like Hurney was.

I never said Kalil was doing well. But, he was a decent name that DG could have picked up. He's definitely been inconsistent and "average at best" means that his best play has been average. He's not good at all, and wasn't a great signing. My point was we had some decent money to spend this offseason, unlike years with Hurney. 

[heel31ok]

2 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Hurney, 

2003, 2005, 2008. 1 SB lose, 1 NFC lose. 2 division championships. 11 years.

Gettleman,

2013, 2014, 2015. 1 SB lose, 3 division championships(record obtained.)... wait for it.... wait for it... 4 years and a draft. 

So there... anybody see a difference? Anybody see the crackpot JR must have been smoking? 

 

 

 

and we are back in cap trouble? hey yeah big difference...

[The Righteous Troll]

1 minute ago, Harbingers said:

Hurney, 

2003, 2005, 2008. 1 SB lose, 1 NFC lose. 2 division championships. 11 years.

Gettleman,

2013, 2014, 2015. 1 SB lose, 3 division championships(record obtained.)... wait for it.... wait for it... 4 years and a draft. 

So there... anybody see a difference? Anybody see the crackpot JR must have been smoking? 

 

 

 

Who did Gettleman bring in players or coaches that REALLY put the Panthers in position to win those division championships? btw the 7-8-1 year was a fluke.

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

and we are back in cap trouble? hey yeah big difference...

It’s ok, I know you can’t see past those horse blinders and saddle. 

Just let them get it up in there real nice and deep. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it. 

[Harbingers]

2 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

Who did Gettleman bring in players or coaches that REALLY put the Panthers in position to win those division championships? btw the 7-8-1 year was a fluke.

Do you not see? Are you blinded? 

[heel31ok]

4 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

I agree somewhat. Josh was WAY more valuable than the compensatory pick that the Panthers got for him. It's all about value in the draft but it was dumb to pull the tag period..I hoenstly thought Norman was in some legal trouble that had not gotten out yet as to why the tag was rescinded 

Can I have what your smoking. Matt Kalil is AWFUL compared to the money Gettleman paid him. He might as well paid Josh if he is gonna throw away money like Hurney was.

I'm looking at numbers...I never referred to Kalil...I was for paying josh..that's no secret... my question was about the comment on not having the money to go after decent FA...what is considered decent money for this purpose?