What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[Palmetto]

6 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

i was talking about hurney, unless palmetto wants to attribute all those credentials to him. i mean everybody on here showers hurney with credit he probably doesn’t deserve anyway.

Nope my mistake

 

[bewonee]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced Beane is anything special yet.  We'll see.

But regardless, if Hurney is inferior as a talent evaluator to every other candidate on the list, why on earth would you hire him?

This is our last season to win a super bowl period with this core before we have to retool it. I'd rather have a mediocre GM that knows the team and our players than get an unproven GM without much expierence that could be even worse or even better, especially when he is known for finding good players in the draft that made contributions right away. Is this a good long term move? No. For now? Yeah. Hurney can hold down the fort. 

[frash.exe]

i glanced at that last line and thought it read “Hurney can hold down a fart” which would’ve been the one time someone said something positive about hurney that i would’ve found agreeable.

[carpanfan96]

20 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced Beane is anything special yet.  We'll see.

But regardless, if Hurney is inferior as a talent evaluator to every other candidate on the list, why on earth would you hire him?

Cause it's not just about talent evaluation, being a NFL GM has lots of different variables involved. Talent evaluation is an important part of it no doubt. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

Cause it's not just about talent evaluation, being a NFL GM has lots of different variables involved. Talent evaluation is an important part of it no doubt. 

Talent evaluation is the biggest and most important part of it. 

You got a guy that's good at administrative stuff?  Give him a job doing that like the Giants have with Kevin Abrams. But good grief, don't put him in charge of the whole operation.

Hiring a GM who's inferior at talent evaluation is like signing a guy who can't catch a cold to be your number one wide receiver because he's half decent at downfield blocking.

[top dawg]

37 minutes ago, SOJA said:

This is some all or none thinking right here

 

Well,  actually that's what I've heard,  without the "all" part. Hasn't that been what people are basically saying,  that Hurney is "nothing." That just because he was a so-labelled "failure" during his first stint here, he's destined for failure again? I'm arguing that this doesn't necessarily have to be the case,  and even if it is, that we'll navigate through it. We have plenty to look forward to either way.  

[carpanfan96]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Talent evaluation is the biggest and most important part of it. 

You got a guy that's good at administrative stuff?  Give him a job doing that like the Giants have with Kevin Abrams. But good grief, don't put him in charge of the whole operation.

Hiring a GM who's inferior at talent evaluation is like signing a guy who can't catch a cold to be your number one wide receiver because he's half decent at downfield blocking.

You don't know that Hurney is inferior at talent evaluation. I mean how many GM's in the NFL have 10+ years of experience as a GM, another 10+ in NFL front office. He has probably close to 25 years of talent evaluation and scouting experience if you combine his time in SD and Carolina. He's credited with drafting 3 or 4 HOF potential players during just his time in Carolina. On top of 2 POY, and MVP, 10+ pro bowlers and handful of all pros. Not many He's have that on the resume. 1 Superbowl trip, 2 NFCC games, his core of players went to another Super bowl and NFCC. 

 

Yea he messed up and made mistakes but when you're a GM for 10+ years in the same spot you're going to make mistakes and likely get fired. Kinda how the NFL works. 

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

You don't know that Hurney is inferior at talent evaluation. I mean how many GM's in the NFL have 10+ years of experience as a GM, another 10+ in NFL front office. He has probably close to 25 years of talent evaluation and scouting experience if you combine his time in SD and Carolina. He's credited with drafting 3 or 4 HOF potential players during just his time in Carolina. On top of 2 POY, and MVP, 10+ pro bowlers and handful of all pros. Not many He's have that on the resume. 1 Superbowl trip, 2 NFCC games, his core of players went to another Super bowl and NFCC. 

Yea he messed up and made mistakes but when you're a GM for 10+ years in the same spot you're going to make mistakes and likely get fired. Kinda how the NFL works. 

Only three successful seasons out of eleven in charge means you deserve to get fired. And as we've mentioned before, nobody else was interested in him, not even as a consultant.

Every other candidate on our list has had front office jobs with other teams not run by Jerry Richardson.

[Car123]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Only three successful seasons out of eleven in charge means you deserve to get fired. And as we've mentioned before, nobody else was interested in him, not even as a consultant.

Every other candidate on our list has had front office jobs with other teams not run by Jerry Richardson.

4 successful seasons.

[Car123]

5, if you count 2017.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

4 successful seasons.

2003, 2005 and 2008

(Know your history)

Hurney also presided over one of the two worst seasons this team ever had in 2010.

And since all of the free agency and draft work was already done by the time he was rehired, no he doesn't get credit for 2017.

[Car123]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

2003, 2005 and 2008

(Know your history)

Hurney also presided over one of the two worst seasons this team ever had in 2010.

And since all of the free agency and draft work was already done by the time he was rehired, no he doesn't get credit for 2017.

2002 was a successful season. Not everything is black and white.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

2002 was a successful season. Not everything is black and white.

2002 was 7-9, as were others under Hurney. Are you going to call those "successful seasons" too?

If you're going to take to making up success stories now, you've pretty well acknowledged that you've lost.

[Car123]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

2002 was 7-9, as were others under Hurney.

If you're going to take to making up success stories now, you've pretty well acknowledged that you've lost

Going from 1-15 to 7-9 in a season is a success.