What's Hurney thinking about? A few general answers

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

So,  each of the teams that they've worked for have a track record of success? 

Every single season? No. But they have shown themselves successful at choosing good players.

What's Marty's track record of success?

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

All three have years and years of  experience at personnel evaluation that Marty Hurney doesn't have.

And not just experience: success. Each of them has a proven track record and could get a front office job with any team in the league.

Nobody outside of a Jerry Richardson run Carolina Panthers team is ever giving Marty Hurney a GM job again.

Not just different. Superior.

GM's job is not primarily scouting it is much more related to cap management and managing the overall football side of things. Gettleman jumped into scouting because that was his experience not because it was required he do that. We have people whose job is personnel management. 

Those guys have a proven record as a GM?  BS. None of them have any experience as a GM. None.

How can you be successful at something you have never done.

This is ridiculous. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

GM's job is not primarily scouting it is much more related to cap management and managing the overall football side of things. Gettleman jumped into scouting because that was his experience not because it was required he do that. We have people whose job is personnel management. 

Those guys have a proven record as a GM?  BS. None of them have any experience as a GM. None.

How can you be successful at something you have never done.

This is ridiculous. 

You have a choice between taking someone who's potentially good at a job because they've shown aptitude in similar duty vs someone who's already done the job and performed poorly.

Only an idiot would take somebody you know is bad over somebody who might be good.

What you're talking about is basically passing on drafting Josh Rosen and instead signing Johnny Manziel.

[panthers55]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm quoting this just for the sheer insanity of it.

He is the best choice and impartial people will likely agree. You are anything but objective and it seems to be making you insane sounding not me.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

He is the best choice and impartial people will likely agree. You are anything but objective and it seems to be making you insane sounding not me.

You actually think an impartial person would choose Marty Hurney over Jimmy Raye?

I'm going to need a few minutes to laugh

 

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is a s--t show, and it's going to leave us with the sh--tiest option possible.

Well,  if it turns out that this is the case,  then I'm going to do like @Jon Snow says and keep polishing the turd (and seeing if it sticks) until I see that it's useless.  

If things are as bad as you say that they are,  then new ownership will immediately fire Hurney, notwithstanding your tinfoil hat theories about how Jerry Richardson is somehow going to run the team by proxy.  You actually think that another billionaire or millionaires will do the bidding of an outcast, former owner, and keep an organization intact that's managed by a GM who is a joke around the league?  That's pretty sensational. 

[Jon Snow]

In no way shape or form is Marty Hurney the best choice for GM.  I can't believe anyone that knows his track record would make such a ludicrous statement.  

[panthers55]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

You have a choice between taking someone who's potentially good at a job because they've shown aptitude in similar duty vs someone who's already done the job and performed poorly.

Only an idiot would take somebody you know is bad over somebody who might be good.

Once again let's put this in perspective. You have a choice between someone who has never been a GM versus someone who has over a decade of experience who is back for a second stint and has admitted his mistakes and on an interim basis has done a good job by all accounts. Given all the instability inherent in the situation it would be foolish to hire an unknown and expect them to jump right in and function at a high level. The objective and logical choice would be keep Hurney and let the new owners make their choice later this year.

Bringing in an unproven guy would be the emotional unwise choice if you wanted anyone but Hurney.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You actually think an impartial person would choose Marty Hurney over Jimmy Raye?

I'm going to need a few minutes to laugh

 

Again given your opinion is neither impartial or logical, laugh away. I'll consider the source and ignore it.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Once again let's put this in perspective. You have a choice between someone who has never been a GM versus someone who has over a decade of experience who is back for a second stint and has admitted his mistakes and on an interim basis has done a good job by all accounts. Given all the instability inherent in the situation it would be foolish to hire an unknown and expect them to jump right in and function at a high level. The objective and logical choice would be keep Hurney and let the new owners make their choice later this year.

Bringing in an unproven guy would be the emotional unwise choice if you wanted anyone but Hurney.

That's some pretty ridiculous logic (and I'm being generous with the word "logic").

The new owners are going to do what they're going to do. That fact in no way, shape or form lends to the idea that Marty Hurney deserves a job over better candidates.

[top dawg]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Every single season? No. But they have shown themselves successful at choosing good players.

What's Marty's track record of success?

Marty has chosen and acquired some good players also,  but like I suggested,  you must think the new owners will be dumb as rocks. If Hurney is as bad as you say,  then he's GMing on borrowed time.  So, what's the real problem here? 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Well,  if it turns out that this is the case,  then I'm going to do like @Jon Snow says and keep polishing the turd (and seeing if it sticks) until I see that it's useless.  

If things are as bad as you say that they are,  then new ownership will immediately fire Hurney, notwithstanding your tinfoil hat theories about how Jerry Richardson is somehow going to run the team by proxy.  You actually think that another billionaire or millionaires will do the bidding of an outcast, former owner, and keep an organization intact that's managed by a GM who is a joke around the league?  That's pretty sensational. 

I have a hard time believing the new owner (assuming they know anything about football) would see Hurney as the answer.  My concern is that JR's attempt at entrenching his guy before the sell will have detrimental impacts on the team before he is finally exposed to the new owner.

[panthers55]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

In no way shape or form is Marty Hurney the best choice for GM.  I can't believe anyone that knows his track record would make such a ludicrous statement.  

Based on 5 years ago or the last 6 months? If the former I agree he was bad. But now I think he is doing a good job. People can change, I know, that is what I do for a living.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, panthers55 said:

Based on 5 years ago or the last 6 months? If the former I agree he was bad. But now I think he is doing a good job. People can change, I know, that is what I do for a living.

What good has he done since being back?  Trading KB?  That was beyond stupid.  Holding onto 2 kickers? Dumb.  Letting the wrong kicker go?  Dumb.  Nothing he has done since returning has made this team better.