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Lions release tight end Eric Ebron

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2 minutes ago, Swaggasaurus said:

More receiving yards in less years. I understand Dickson has been a 2 forever, but look at Olsen before Carolina.

Ya, but on how many more targets?  Dude is so inefficient, drops everything.  I'd say the only thing that Ebron has over Dickson is more opportunity.  

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1 minute ago, Riv said:

Ya, but on how many more targets?  Dude is so inefficient, drops everything.  I'd say the only thing that Ebron has over Dickson is more opportunity.  

Ed Dickson - 297 targets
Eric Ebron - 290 targets

Again, Ebron has been given more of an offensive role. Might be saying a lot about Ebron, or could say a lot about Ed Dickson.

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1 minute ago, h0llywood said:

Sure:

Ebron has more receptions and more yards than Ed Dickson has in half the seasons and almost 1/3 games played.

Ed Dickson - 124 Games Played - 178 Rec - 1,985 Yards - 12 TD (Avg Position Rank last 3 Seasons #42)
Eric Ebron - 56 Games Played - 186 Rec - 2,070 yards - 11 TD (Avg Position Rank last 3 Seasons #13)

Ebron has shown more usage and is more of an offensive target whereas Dickson is a great blocker.

OK, let's try it this way:

In 8 seasons, Dickson has roughly the same exact stats as Ebron does in 4 seasons on roughly the same amount of targets.  Ebron with 290 and Dickson with 298.  

More opportunity or a better pass catcher?

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Just now, h0llywood said:

Ed Dickson - 297 targets
Eric Ebron - 290 targets

Again, Ebron has been given more of an offensive role. Might be saying a lot about Ebron, or could say a lot about Ed Dickson.

Well, ya.  Obviously Ebron was given more opportunity to prove he's basically Ed Dickson as a pass catcher, but who is trash at the rest of what a TE is supposed to do.

 

It probably says more about their employers/coaching staffs than anything else.  Also that Ebron was given more opportunity b/c of where he was drafted.  Either way, I don't see a case to say that Ebron is a better pass catcher than Dickson when their stats are literally identical.

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I'd definitely be interested, but also definitely only on a "prove it" type deal. But, I'm sure another needier team with more cap room would likely offer him a better contract as well as an opportunity to compete for a starting position.

It'd be nice, but even if we're interested there are probably going to be better opportunities for him elsewhere.

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7 minutes ago, Riv said:

Well, ya.  Obviously Ebron was given more opportunity to prove he's basically Ed Dickson as a pass catcher, but who is trash at the rest of what a TE is supposed to do.

 

It probably says more about their employers/coaching staffs than anything else.  Also that Ebron was given more opportunity b/c of where he was drafted.  Either way, I don't see a case to say that Ebron is a better pass catcher than Dickson when their stats are literally identical.

You're looking at targets/receptions and making the assumption it makes them equal but throwing the fact out that Dickson couldn't get on the field as a #1 which is why it took Ebron almost 2/3 less the time to accumulate the same numbers. 

You're basically saying anyone who reaches X receptions or yards, regardless of how long it took to get there, are equals to anyone with similar stats. 

Eric Ebron was billed as the next Jimmy Graham due to his basketball qualities whereas Dickson is a prototypical TE. Different type of player regardless of numbers.

Production isnt the same as expectation. You can also expect Ebron to have a better career going forward, given his age, compared to Dickson.

 

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Just now, h0llywood said:

You're looking at targets/receptions and making the assumption it makes them equal but throwing the fact out that Dickson couldn't get on the field as a #1 which is why it took Ebron almost 2/3 less the time to accumulate the same numbers. 

You're basically saying anyone who reaches X receptions or yards, regardless of how long it took to get there, are equals to anyone with similar stats. 

Eric Ebron was billed as the next Jimmy Graham due to his basketball qualities whereas Dickson is a prototypical TE. Different type of player regardless of numbers.

Production isnt the same as expectation. You can also expect Ebron to have a better career going forward, given his age, compared to Dickson.

 

So.  Much.  Fail.

Yes, looking at someone's overall stats is a good way to compare two players.  You were saying that Ebron is a better pass catcher than Dickson.  That was proven false b/c in a vacuum they literally have the same stats.  There's nothing in the stats that say he's better.  Nothing.

What basketball qualities does Ebron possess?  He didn't play in college and his wikipedia doesn't mention HS ball, so I'm going to assume you have no idea what you're talking about there either.  Here are their two combines:

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Can you tell who was supposed to be the next Jimmy Graham and who's Ed Dickson?  Me neither.  

Lastly, Ebron is 24 and seems to be on his way out of the league considering he's already been dumped by a team who invested a 1st round pick into him.  Who knows if he'll be out before Dickson hangs up his cleats?  How can you say that Ebron will have a better career than Dickson?  Where are the facts?

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14 minutes ago, Riv said:

Maybe you could provide some reasoning behind this or maybe even spell our player's name correctly.....

Played 70 less games (mostly due to injury)...has 100 yards more receiving. Faster, better hands...what else do you want ot know?

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