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Rashaad Penny vs. Nick Chubb

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Since we have shown little too no interest in any of the RB’s on the FA market, I am beginning to think we will target one early.  Now, the first round is far too rich…especially after spending a high first on one last year.  However, I definitely see one taken with our second or one of our third round picks (I know many don’t think we should use a second on a RB, but the way this team values the position, I think they will want to get their guy rather than wait for whomever is left)

 

Anyway, the two most likely candidates IMO are Rashaad Penny and Nick Chubb (I don’t think there is a chance in Hell that either Michel or Guice will be there for our second round pick).  Both seem destined for that mid-second to mid-third range to be taken.  So, if we really want either, there is a very good chance both could be off the board by the time we pick in the third…particularly with the resurgence of the running game throughout the league.

 

So, I decided to look at some clips from Draft Breakdown to see how they compare to each other.   Anyway, here goes!

 

Vision:  Both have good vision, but Penny’s seems a little better.  He was very quick to diagnose the hole and explode through it.  Chubb also seems to have decent vision, but it takes him a fraction longer to identify the hole than Penny.

Advantage: Penny

 

Power:  Both do a good job of breaking tackles and running through arm tackles, but Chubb just seems to be better at moving the pile when the defense swarms to him.

Advantage: Chubb

 

Speed:  Penny has a clear advantage here.  Forget the combine, in pads Penny just has more explosion and plays much faster than Chubb does…particularly his short area speed.  When Penny sees a hole, he just explodes through it, while it takes Chubb a fraction of a second longer, which leads to some holes closing up on him before he gets there.

Advantage Penny

 

Quickness:  Again, I think Penny is better at changing direction at the point of attack and is quicker at bouncing it outside when there’s nothing up the middle.

Advantage: Penny

 

Blocking:  Neither had many opportunities to block in the games I saw, but the few times they did, Chubb seems more comfortable at it.  Chubb did a much better job of squaring up and impacting the defender, while the most you could say about Penny is that he tried to get in the way.  IMO, Penny’s big problem is that he uses virtually no blocking technique.  I don’t know if that’s because he doesn’t have the want to, or if it’s because nobody ever really taught him since he was always the feature back.  Either way, we all know how Rivera likes his RB’s to be able to block, so Penny really needs to show a desire to learn to be a consideration here.

Advantage: Chubb

 

Receiving: Neither had many opportunities to catch balls, but Penny did get quite a bit more than Chubb.  For the most part, Penny worked well out of the backfield and caught the ball well as an outlet, but I wouldn’t expect him to line up in the slot or outside like CMC.  Generally, he looks to be a decent receiver.  Chubb, on the other hand, went out on a few routes, but didn’t have any balls thrown to him, so, I couldn’t get a real gauge on him as a receiver.

Advantage:  Penny

 

Bottom line, both are good backs, but as long as you don’t plan on keeping them in to block very often (at least until they learn better technique), Penny seems to be the much better runner.  In fact, I could see him as this year’s Kareem Hunt.

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I would really like either one.  Hard as hell for me to choose to be honest,  I think both will be really good players.  Nice breakdown Woodie.  :100_Emoji_42x42:

One small thing to add Penny can return kicks as well.  Complete back IMO.  I love Chubbs toughness and leadership, really tough call. Maybe lean to Penny for many reasons you mentioned, especially speed and quickness.  Penny is a very hard runner too.

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8 minutes ago, Shocker said:

I would really like either one.  Hard as hell for me to choose to be honest,  I think both will be really good players.  Nice breakdown Woodie.  :100_Emoji_42x42:

One small thing to add Penny can return kicks as well.  Complete back IMO.  I love Chubbs toughness and leadership, really tough call. Maybe lean to Penny for many reasons you mentioned, especially speed and quickness.  Penny is a very hard runner too.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that Penny can return kicks as well.  But I agree that both will be good.  I think either would be a great addition to our offense and compliment CMC very well.

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Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Wouldn't have a problem with either one of them.

In the 3rd round.

I know you don't like the idea of a RB in the 2nd, but there is a very good chance both will be gone by our first 3rd round pick.  And since I think there is a  pretty big drop-off after them, we may have no other choice if we fall in love with either.

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6 minutes ago, Woodie said:

 

I know you don't like the idea of a RB in the 2nd, but there is a very good chance both will be gone by our first 3rd round pick.  And since I think there is a  pretty big drop-off after them, we may have no other choice if we fall in love with either.

I'd rather not. I think there's enough depth in the RB class that there will be viable options there for us in the 3rd. Last year, 5 RBs were off the board by the time we'd be on the clock with our first 3rd rounder. Kareem Hunt would've still been available. Maybe one or both of Penny and Chubb will be gone by then. Oh well. I'd bet decent money that someone like Royce Freeman, Kerryon Johnson, and/or Ronald Jones II will be there.

The one wildcard RB for me in the 2nd would be Sony Michel. If he's there, he'd be hard not to draft. I don't think he will be.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I'd rather not. I think there's enough depth in the RB class that there will be viable options there for us in the 3rd. Last year, 5 RBs were off the board by the time we'd be on the clock with our first 3rd rounder. Kareem Hunt would've still been available. Maybe one or both of Penny and Chubb will be gone by then. Oh well. I'd bet decent money that someone like Royce Freeman, Kerryon Johnson, and/or Ronald Jones II will be there.

The one wildcard RB for me in the 2nd would be Sony Michel. If he's there, he'd be hard not to draft. I don't think he will be.

I get that, but I just see a bigger drop-off than you do.  Yes, there's depth, but I think both of these guys have much more potential to be impactful than anyone left.  And Jones is even smaller than McCaffrey, so I don't think he fits as a compliment at all.  

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I get that, but I just see a bigger drop-off than you do.  Yes, there's depth, but I think both of these guys have much more potential to be impactful than anyone left.  And Jones is even smaller than McCaffrey, so I don't think he fits as a compliment at all.  

You just never know how things will work out. Obviously, no one thought Kareem Hunt was going to be what he ended up being or he wouldn't have lasted until late into the 3rd. Same with Kamara who went early in the 3rd. 

I mean, I'm not gonna throw a fit if we take a Penny or a Chubb in the 2nd round, but I'd definitely prefer to spread the draft investment wealth after just spending the #8 overall pick on that position a year ago.

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You just never know how things will work out. Obviously, no one thought Kareem Hunt was going to be what he ended up being or he wouldn't have lasted until late into the 3rd. Same with Kamara who went early in the 3rd. 

I mean, I'm not gonna throw a fit if we take a Penny or a Chubb in the 2nd round, but I'd definitely prefer to spread the draft investment wealth after just spending the #8 overall pick on that position a year ago.

Oh, I don't disagree that I would much rather wait until the 3rd for a back, but the way the team has ignored the position in FA leads me to think it's much higher on the wish list than some might think.  I have a feeling they are having visions of a Kamara/Ingram type of impact for us this year.

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I know many are high on Sony but he has a fundamental issue with fumbling the football that is even more glaring when you consider he's splitting carries with Chubb. 

Sony fumbles once ever 50 carries while Penny fumbles once every 105 carries. This is a Stat that follows a running back to the NFL. For example Kareem Hunt never fumbled in college and only did once this year on his very first NFL carry. Whereas Mixon fumbles every 73 carries in college and every 69 carries in the pros.

 

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3 minutes ago, Woodie said:

Oh, I don't disagree that I would much rather wait until the 3rd for a back, but the way the team has ignored the position in FA leads me to think it's much higher on the wish list than some might think.  I have a feeling they are having visions of a Kamara/Ingram type of impact for us this year.

Royce Freeman is a strong inside runner and would be a good short yardage grinder. Maybe available from round 3 to 5

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8 minutes ago, jumpman910 said:

I know many are high on Sony but he has a fundamental issue with fumbling the football that is even more glaring when you consider he's splitting carries with Chubb. 

Sony fumbles once ever 50 carries while Penny fumbles once every 105 carries. This is a Stat that follows a running back to the NFL. For example Kareem Hunt never fumbled in college and only did once this year on his very first NFL carry. Whereas Mixon fumbles every 73 carries in college and every 69 carries in the pros.

 

In general, I agree with you. However last year I wrote off Kamara for his ball security issues but obviously this hasn't been an issue in the pro's.

Why? I don't know. Some players can be coached on that problem and some can't.

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