Tepper NOT out

[Ezell704]

2 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Aggressiveness doesn't always indicate success, which is why I brought up Dan Snyder. Few could argue with his desire to win and willingness to use aggressive tactics to improve his football team. Still they've fielded a giant, steaming turd for most of his tenure. He also happens to have a similar net worth, with the majority of it tied to his NFL team. 

Okay, I mean I understand that but these are very big concepts like “aggressiveness” it’s hard to paint “aggressive” with one big broad brush. If I for a second thought he was anything like Snyder I’d be 10,000% out on him. Luckily their is only one Snyder. Also he’s being aggressive with HIS money Snyder was an inheritance deal like James Dolan. Those guys never seem to work out. I’ll take the self made guy all day.

[Moo Daeng]

10 minutes ago, Ezell704 said:

Okay, I mean I understand that but these are very big concepts like “aggressiveness” it’s hard to paint “aggressive” with one big broad brush. If I for a second thought he was anything like Snyder I’d be 10,000% out on him. Luckily their is only one Snyder. Also he’s being aggressive with HIS money Snyder was an inheritance deal like James Dolan. Those guys never seem to work out. I’ll take the self made guy all day.

Snyder has an interesting background of various businesses and ventures but non of it involved inheritance. Mire like second mortgages and credit cards and investors 

[Woodie]

6 hours ago, CatMan72 said:

I don't think a 5% ownership stake in the team guarantees he has anything to do with how the org is run or would intend to run the Panthers the same way. Haslam was a Steelers minority owner and he hasn't turned the Browns into a copy of the Steelers org or enjoyed much success.

No, Tepper had nothing to do with running the Steelers, and nobody is saying he did.  What is true is that he was informed of all significant decisions related to the Steelers.  He also was able to see how the organization was run and had a relationship with the primary owners, so had, at minimum, a base knowledge of their philosophies and thought processes on how to keep the team successful.  He also likely had relationships with many other decision makers within the organization, so again, has some knowledge of what they did to maintain a successful franchise.

Bottom line, while he didn't make any decisions, he saw intimately how the organization was run, and has a solid understanding of how to run an NFL team.  That something no other bidder can claim.

[Mr. Scot]

31 minutes ago, Woodie said:

No, Tepper had nothing to do with running the Steelers, and nobody is saying he did.  What is true is that he was informed of all significant decisions related to the Steelers.  He also was able to see how the organization was run and had a relationship with the primary owners, so had, at minimum, a base knowledge of their philosophies and thought processes on how to keep the team successful.  He also likely had relationships with many other decision makers within the organization, so again, has some knowledge of what they did to maintain a successful franchise.

Bottom line, while he didn't make any decisions, he saw intimately how the organization was run, and has a solid understanding of how to run an NFL team.  That something no other bidder can claim.

Agreed.

[Mr. Scot]

We've theorized before that the NFL might try to nudge Jerry Richardson toward Tepper, but at least so far it sounds like there's too big a difference in the money.

[Woodie]

12 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

We've theorized before that the NFL might try to nudge Jerry Richardson toward Tepper, but at least so far it sounds like there's too big a difference in the money.

I wonder if Tepper calling to make sure everyone knows he's not backing out means he's accepted the fact he needs to get closer to the 2.5 billion range if he wants the team.  I just don't buy the fact that he was only trying to save face or not look like a cheapskate.  I don't think anybody would look negatively at him for backing out when the offers surpassed his max limit by several hundred million, and I really don't think he would care anyway.  I'm sure he realizes he needs and is prepared to up the anti in order to stay in the game.  

The only question is, is he willing to go all the way to the 2.6 billion that Navarro has reportedly offered, or is he only upping his offer by a couple of hundred million.  I'm sure he's had discussions with the NFL, so likely knows that if it's close, they will try to nudge JR to make the deal with Tepper.  

[Mr. Scot]

4 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I wonder if Tepper calling to make sure everyone knows he's not backing out means he's accepted the fact he needs to get closer to the 2.5 billion range if he wants the team.  I just don't buy the fact that he was only trying to save face or not look like a cheapskate.  I don't think anybody would look negatively at him for backing out when the offers surpassed his max limit by several hundred million, and I really don't think he would care anyway.  I'm sure he realizes he needs and is prepared to up the anti in order to stay in the game.  

The only question is, is he willing to go all the way to the 2.6 billion that Navarro has reportedly offered, or is he only upping his offer by a couple of hundred million.  I'm sure he's had discussions with the NFL, so likely knows that if it's close, they will try to nudge JR to make the deal with Tepper.  

That thought has crossed my mind.

I've been wondering if the NFL might not be nudging Tepper to make a higher offer as well.

[Gucceland]

 

7 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I wonder if Tepper calling to make sure everyone knows he's not backing out means he's accepted the fact he needs to get closer to the 2.5 billion range if he wants the team.  I just don't buy the fact that he was only trying to save face or not look like a cheapskate.  I don't think anybody would look negatively at him for backing out when the offers surpassed his max limit by several hundred million, and I really don't think he would care anyway.  I'm sure he realizes he needs and is prepared to up the anti in order to stay in the game.  

The only question is, is he willing to go all the way to the 2.6 billion that Navarro has reportedly offered, or is he only upping his offer by a couple of hundred million.  I'm sure he's had discussions with the NFL, so likely knows that if it's close, they will try to nudge JR to make the deal with Tepper.  

Negotiation tactics are pretty cut and dry.  If a qualified buyer can pay less and the NFL can persuade Richardson that it's best for the NFL, not to mention turn the other way on Richardson's investigation, then Tepper may be exercising his ability to get a discount.  He only really wants to pay around $2.3, which is a problem considering 2 or 3 other teams will be available in the next few years.  This gives Tepper a huge advantage, if the NFL wants him in.  He could wait for the right team at the right price and the NFL can't do much about it.

[Jon Snow]

Tepper has two things going for him, the money and the votes to purchase the team.

Navarro has the highest bid presumably but does he have the votes?

This is going to get interesting.

[Woodie]

7 minutes ago, Gucceland said:

 

Negotiation tactics are pretty cut and dry.  If a qualified buyer can pay less and the NFL can persuade Richardson that it's best for the NFL, not to mention turn the other way on Richardson's investigation, then Tepper may be exercising his ability to get a discount.  He only really wants to pay around $2.3, which is a problem considering 2 or 3 other teams will be available in the next few years.  This gives Tepper a huge advantage, if the NFL wants him in.  He could wait for the right team at the right price and the NFL can't do much about it.

Oh, I definitely think Tepper wants to exercise his ability to get a discount.  He's known for making shrewd deals, so I'm sure he doesn't want to pay true market price for the team.  However, a couple of things could work against him in that.  First, Navarro seems to REALLY want it.  So we don't know how high he's able or willing to bid.  That could push Tepper to go much higher than he likes if he really wants the team.  Second, JR may put regional interests over NFL interests (so don't know how much influence the NFL would truly have over him).  He may decide to take Navarro's offer because he's tied to the Carolina's and is more likely to keep the southern and family atmosphere that JR has cultivated here.  

I can see the point that Tepper could look at other teams going on sale in the future as a reason to not get into a bidding war, except that any team that goes up for sale within the next few years will use the sales price of the Panthers as the floor for an asking price.  Even if the price of another team doesn't reach the heights the owner would want, it will almost certainly still come close to equaling the price of the Panthers.  So, Tepper insures nothing by waiting for another team.  In fact, other teams may have billionaires tied to those areas that want to bid for those teams, but weren't willing to bid on the Panthers.  So this may be Tepper's best shot at owning an NFL franchise.

[Woodie]

30 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That thought has crossed my mind.

I've been wondering if the NFL might not be nudging Tepper to make a higher offer as well.

I'm sure there are a lot of behind the scenes discussions taking place.  I could see the NFL making a deal with Tepper in which they give some sort of concession to the Panthers if he ups the bid.  Maybe something like a future Super Bowl or league assistance on a new stadium...something that would allow Tepper to earn back the extra money he spent at the leagues request.

I guess it depends on how badly the League wants Tepper to get the team.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I'm sure there are a lot of behind the scenes discussions taking place.  I could see the NFL making a deal with Tepper in which they give some sort of concession to the Panthers if he ups the bid.  Maybe something like a future Super Bowl or league assistance on a new stadium...something that would allow Tepper to earn back the extra money he spent at the leagues request.

I guess it depends on how badly the League wants Tepper to get the team.

By all accounts, pretty badly.

Stadium assistance / future Super Bowl are two things that could kind of go hand-in-hand.

[Mr. Scot]

I confess, there's a part of me that bristles at the thought of League machinations to favor one bidder over the other.

I have nothing against Tepper, but that thought annoys me a little.

[Gucceland]

9 minutes ago, Woodie said:

I'm sure there are a lot of behind the scenes discussions taking place.  I could see the NFL making a deal with Tepper in which they give some sort of concession to the Panthers if he ups the bid.  Maybe something like a future Super Bowl or league assistance on a new stadium...something that would allow Tepper to earn back the extra money he spent at the leagues request.

I guess it depends on how badly the League wants Tepper to get the team.

It all really depends on when the other 2 or 3 teams go up for sale.  Obviously, the NFL and Owners will want to stagger the sale of the other teams and make sure none are competing with each other.  I guess you're correct in assuming the sale price for the Panther's will dictate the rest of the market, as long as the market stays unsaturated and the product value doesn't go down.  I do not believe the NFL can handle many more protest season like this one and maintain it's market share, so who knows,  maybe the NFL bubble bursts or maybe not.