We have to open up the offense at this point.

[Snake]

I would understand control and clock grinding if this defense was capable of three and outs and forcing turnovers but they are not. We have to score points and keep up with teams. At our current state we need to score 30 points a game or we will lose. 

[poorboysrev]

15 minutes ago, Snake said:

I would understand control and clock grinding if this defense was capable of three and outs and forcing turnovers but they are not. We have to score points and keep up with teams. At our current state we need to score 30 points a game or we will lose. 

I couldn't agree more 

[Ace_Aladdin]

16 minutes ago, Snake said:

I would understand control and clock grinding if this defense was capable of three and outs and forcing turnovers but they are not. We have to score points and keep up with teams. At our current state we need to score 30 points a game or we will lose. 

The offense could have scored 30 pts if Moore didn’t fumble the ball

[Pimpdaddy]

..i was surprised they stuck with Moore...guess thats how you grow...but i wanted him on the bench...way at the end...by himself...

[Monty83]

Literally our team philosophy has been let Rivera roll with his instincts and have Cam bail us out when they don’t work. Doing things like wanting to establish the run early create so much risk because 1) if you’re not successful, you’ve taken the rest of your offense out of rhythm and 2) you immediately put pressure on your defense to prevent the opponent from scoring while you’re trying to establish it. EVERYTHING in the NFL has be moved to allow teams to move to more of a passing offense, which means the other things you’re trying to do establishing the run like dominate time of possession, are negated, because teams can score much easier.

We having an amazing record when we don’t turn the ball over, but we actually increase the likelihood we do turn it over by putting more pressure on Cam to have to bring us from behind throwing the ball in known passing situations, INSTEAD of simply being aggressive from the start and having the pass set up the run. Rivera relying heavily on our zone defense requires us to get pressure with the front four, but again, with the league moving more to a passing offense, we are giving up 5 yards every play, and that’s not even pointing out the fact our front four is old and isn’t generating consistent pressure. So now Rivera’s instincts are dominating self-awareness. We don’t even have what we need to be what he wants anymore. 

If we come out aggressive offensively and open it up, we give ourselves an opportunity to take pressure off of the D (and they need it) and more than anything we give Cam an opportunity to win us more games from in front instead of from behind. His greatest threat is his ability to spread the ball around and have defenses forget to account for his run. We take that away from him when we get behind and defenses know he has to pass the ball.

[beastson]

1 minute ago, Pimpdaddy said:

..i was surprised they stuck with Moore...guess thats how you grow...but i wanted him on the bench...way at the end...by himself...

He was rolling in the 2nd half, if we threw to him moore we might have won

Just saying

[FugAllY'all]

I do agree that we need to stop going into games assuming we have an elite defense to fall back on. I just haven't seen it outside of the Dallas game and early against the Giants. 30 points a game or bust should be our goal.

[JARROD]

Our offense shows what its capable of when the gloves come off,..

Hell when we opened up Torrey Smith even tore through a drive,..

Makes me think the dumbass disease resonates from Rivera--

Be conservative,.. move slow,.. keep it close,.. run the clock out,... put it on the last drive,....

What a dork,..

When we have to, the offense opens and shows great things-- let the MF play,... stop running 8 straight running plays,... OMG,...

Its 1932--- Ron hasnt gone old school,....hes gone full retard,..

and you never ever go FULL retard.

[FuFuLamePoo]

4 minutes ago, Monty83 said:

Literally our team philosophy has been let Rivera roll with his instincts and have Cam bail us out when they don’t work. Doing things like wanting to establish the run early create so much risk because 1) if you’re not successful, you’ve taken the rest of your offense out of rhythm and 2) you immediately put pressure on your defense to prevent the opponent from scoring while you’re trying to establish it. EVERYTHING in the NFL has be moved to allow teams to move to more of a passing offense, which means the other things you’re trying to do establishing the run like dominate time of possession, are negated, because teams can score much easier.

We having an amazing record when we don’t turn the ball over, but we actually increase the likelihood we do turn it over by putting more pressure on Cam to have to bring us from behind throwing the ball in known passing situations, INSTEAD of simply being aggressive from the start and having the pass set up the run. Rivera relying heavily on our zone defense requires us to get pressure with the front four, but again, with the league moving more to a passing offense, we are giving up 5 yards every play, and that’s not even pointing out the fact our front four is old and isn’t generating consistent pressure. So now Rivera’s instincts are dominating self-awareness. We don’t even have what we need to be what he wants anymore. 

If we come out aggressive offensively and open it up, we give ourselves an opportunity to take pressure off of the D (and they need it) and more than anything we give Cam an opportunity to win us more games from in front instead of from behind. His greatest threat is his ability to spread the ball around and have defenses forget to account for his run. We take that away from him when we get behind and defenses know he has to pass the ball.

God this is such a perfect summary. Fire Rivera.

[Snake]

19 minutes ago, Ace_Aladdin said:

The offense could have scored 30 pts if Moore didn’t fumble the ball

The offense could have scored that even if he did. We just don't pass to gain yards. We pass to catch up or to run. We also bring in personal like Manhertz to block and bench personal like Thomas and Samuel because we don't want to pass. 

[JARROD]

5 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

..i was surprised they stuck with Moore...guess thats how you grow...but i wanted him on the bench...way at the end...by himself...

The best way to get over being thrown from a horse,..

is to get back on the horse,..

Hes a rookie-- remember Desean Jackson flinging a ball just before he crossed the plane for a touchdown, a safety?  Hes got to have opportunities,.. he has the talent---- and once he caught the 18 yarder without fumbling, he seemed to get it together and ball out the rest of the game.

Hes got a long way to go to catch Ridleys polish but he can become whatever he wants-- he needs to have opportunities though.

[Snake]

11 minutes ago, Monty83 said:

Literally our team philosophy has been let Rivera roll with his instincts and have Cam bail us out when they don’t work. Doing things like wanting to establish the run early create so much risk because 1) if you’re not successful, you’ve taken the rest of your offense out of rhythm and 2) you immediately put pressure on your defense to prevent the opponent from scoring while you’re trying to establish it. EVERYTHING in the NFL has be moved to allow teams to move to more of a passing offense, which means the other things you’re trying to do establishing the run like dominate time of possession, are negated, because teams can score much easier.

We having an amazing record when we don’t turn the ball over, but we actually increase the likelihood we do turn it over by putting more pressure on Cam to have to bring us from behind throwing the ball in known passing situations, INSTEAD of simply being aggressive from the start and having the pass set up the run. Rivera relying heavily on our zone defense requires us to get pressure with the front four, but again, with the league moving more to a passing offense, we are giving up 5 yards every play, and that’s not even pointing out the fact our front four is old and isn’t generating consistent pressure. So now Rivera’s instincts are dominating self-awareness. We don’t even have what we need to be what he wants anymore. 

If we come out aggressive offensively and open it up, we give ourselves an opportunity to take pressure off of the D (and they need it) and more than anything we give Cam an opportunity to win us more games from in front instead of from behind. His greatest threat is his ability to spread the ball around and have defenses forget to account for his run. We take that away from him when we get behind and defenses know he has to pass the ball.

Also with the rules teams can run all over you and still lose. Passing and scoring points is key. Norv can do this but Rivera won't allow it. 

[Monty83]

Here is another way to look at it: We all accept that Cam’s biggest strength is probably his ability to run the ball. It’s led to him leading us in rushing. When is Cam most effective running the ball? Probably when he’s able to make plays with his feet And the passing game is moving chains or gotten us into the red zone typically. When is Cam least effective running the ball? When we are behind and he can’t afford to run. So literally every time we ask Cam to save us, we are asking him to do it WITHOUT his biggest strength! Think about that. That’s the case for almost no other QB, who when the chips are down just needs to focus and “run the offense.” Not Cam. He’s simply got to figure it out. That’s why we can’t come from behind. Rivera’s philosophy isn’t made to. We have the weapons, but we still play as if running the ball is all we want to do. It’s also why no lead is safe for us in this NFL either. Because too many teams can score in the blink of an eye. We either need an offensive head coach or a defensive coach with enough awareness to see that passing and scoring are more important.

[Fright]

Ron’s job will have to be threatened before we unleash Cam and the offense.