A realistic/interesting 1st round mock draft - CBSSports

[micnificent28]

51 minutes ago, Shocker said:

After seeing him bullrush Jonah Williams on his arse I am warming to Ferrell big time.

Nice write up here with bullrush video...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/clelin-ferrell-nfl-draft-profile-everything-to-know-about-measurements-strengths-team-fits/

 

U been on the Ferrell train for a while now. And Jonah Williams isn’t even said to be a top end tackle. Some say he’s a guard. Your comparing him to a down year at tackle but what happens when he has to face Tyron smith and other better players.

[Black&BlueBubba]

4 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Wow this Ferrell tear apart is the stupidest poo ever.. A few guys with less production and game film go to the underware Olympics put on a show and now ppl are clamoring for them?? What is the history of this really?? BUST OR HIGH BUST POTENTIAL.. It just seem you have 1 poster here with a weird grudge and alot of time on his hands.. against the guy and half this board repeats his stupid rhetoric.. 

This is a easy fix 

College stats

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/clelin-ferrell-1.html

Draft profile .. He didn't do everything at the combine due to a toe injury.. So What?? But micnificent28 got ppl thinking he is a paraplegic..SMH.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/clelin-ferrell?id=32194645-5255-8663-cd04-9e42913c7a38

Some highlights 

 

YouTube  has more game snaps of his then most other players.. What are you not seeing here?? Any other season we wouldn't be in range to get a player like this.. Now he's consolation prize?? Lol .. You people don't know poo..

I like Ferrell.  My issue is not him but how he fits our supposed new scheme.  Again only the coaches know what the schemes actually is.  But The Irvin signing does suggest more of either a 3-4 or Hybrid alignment.  If that’s the case I’m not sure how well Ferrell fits a stand up OLB.  Yes they are asked to go from a 3 point stance on occasion.  But he seems like a true 4-3 DE.  And probably a good one.  But is that what we are after now?  

I will say I have been watching a bunch of tape on the 3-4 OLB later in the draft. Not thrilled with many of them.  The true strength of this draft is the depth of the interior defensive line.  

[micnificent28]

Sweat,Gary,Oliver, burns or wait

[Sub Zero]

41 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think your making a mute point. Unathletic guys just don’t go that high. If you aren’t Clowney or sweat, whatever you aren’t going that high. If your not a game changing athlete who cares if you have prototypical size. Stat guys are out there micheal sam who ever that just aren’t good enough at the next level.

you brought u guys with physical limitations, but if your a freak athlete like say Kyler Murray you can transcend those physical limitations or your size can be over looked. Ferrell would be a solid pick in last years draft but in one of the best defensive line drafts ever? He’s just a guy. He’s the worst of these top end guys.

trade back to say 25-28 and pick up a another second round pick and I’m good with Ferrell.

This is why your opinion is dumb....

1. 6'5 270lb men who can post the numbers he did at the combine aren't unatheletic.. Not every good  DE in the league was Julius peppers.. He is more than Athletic enough to be a good starter in this league..

2. Its rare you can get a physical freak with no red flags outside of the top 10 picks..  Blame Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Allen and the Panthers 2nd and 3rd stringers for us not having a top 10 pick...

3. The fact that you would rather gamble on high risk prospects over the solid 10 year starter let's me know.. You should stick to madden.. Gm lose there jobs gambling 1st round picks on guys who haven't shown the ability nor mindset to play football.. Instead of just showing up for one day in their underwear and run fast...lol

[Sub Zero]

39 minutes ago, Black&BlueBubba said:

I like Ferrell.  My issue is not him but how he fits our supposed new scheme.  Again only the coaches know what the schemes actually is.  But The Irvin signing does suggest more of either a 3-4 or Hybrid alignment.  If that’s the case I’m not sure how well Ferrell fits a stand up OLB.  Yes they are asked to go from a 3 point stance on occasion.  But he seems like a true 4-3 DE.  And probably a good one.  But is that what we are after now?  

I will say I have been watching a bunch of tape on the 3-4 OLB later in the draft. Not thrilled with many of them.  The true strength of this draft is the depth of the interior defensive line.  

Obade and Cox where do they fit??

This kid is just as big and faster than both right??

So at no point in his video did you see him rush from a standing position or drop back in coverage?? Because I did.. Just saying .. And he literally put up some of the same combine numbers as Bradly Cubb and Aldon Smith.. Both are playing or played OLB in a 3/4...

 

Defensive snaps vs FSU .. Tell me you didn't see him being use the same way FSU uses Burns.. He rush from a standing position he drops back in coverage.. What do you see that is different than what you're seeing from Sweat and Burns??

[Sub Zero]

57 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

U been on the Ferrell train for a while now. And Jonah Williams isn’t even said to be a top end tackle. Some say he’s a guard. Your comparing him to a down year at tackle but what happens when he has to face Tyron smith and other better players.

Dumb. Loud  and wrong

1. Jonah Williams  is 1 or 2 in OT rankings plus a sure 1st round pick..

2. This is actually a good year for tackle with 3 to 4 being rated as 1st round picks.. 4 to 5 more as day 2 picks.. 

3. Same thing any rookie will have to face when going against Tyron Smith?? Dumb question..

How many Tyron Smith in the league?? 1 so that really isn't a big deal and a very dumb question...

[micnificent28]

25 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

This is why your opinion is dumb....

1. 6'5 270lb men who can post the numbers he did at the combine aren't unatheletic.. Not every good  DE in the league was Julius peppers.. He is more than Athletic enough to be a good starter in this league..

2. Its rare you can get a physical freak with no red flags outside of the top 10 picks..  Blame Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Allen and the Panthers 2nd and 3rd stringers for us not having a top 10 pick...

3. The fact that you would rather gamble on high risk prospects over the solid 10 year starter let's me know.. You should stick to madden.. Gm lose there jobs gambling 1st round picks on guys who haven't shown the ability nor mindset to play football.. Instead of just showing up for one day in their underwear and run fast...lol

Lmao my opinion is dumb but I’m not the one mocking Ferrell as the 29th best prospect. I’m sorry your favorite player isn’t good enough. Nobody likes this dude enough to get to 10 looks. He’s below almost everyone I listed in the majority of mocks. There’s a reason Ferrell keeps getting mocked to or below us because he’s the worst of the bunch. My opinion is of that if every major scout covering the draft.

Ferrell is a average at best athlete and people don’t want average when defensive tackles are running 4.6 and ends running 4.41 sorry. It’s you who really should just stop posting on draft stuff. All your blurting out is”well he has stats and he’s this tall so he good” no it doesn’t work that way lol.

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, Sub Zero said:

Dumb. Loud  and wrong

1. Jonah Williams  is 1 or 2 in OT rankings plus a sure 1st round pick..

2. This is actually a good year for tackle with 3 to 4 being rated as 1st round picks.. 4 to 5 more as day 2 picks.. 

3. Same thing any rookie will have to face when going against Tyron Smith?? Dumb question..

How many Tyron Smith in the league?? 1 so that really isn't a big deal and a very dumb question...

Sit down man this is a bad year for tackles. If this was a good year you would have more mocked higher. The highest a tackle has been mocked is like 8 because these guys aren’t that good. There is depth sure be not top end talent. Man I’m done talking to u this takes the cake lol.

[Sub Zero]

23 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Sit down man this is a bad year for tackles. If this was a good year you would have more mocked higher. The highest a tackle has been mocked is like 8 because these guys aren’t that good. There is depth sure be not top end talent. Man I’m done talking to u this takes the cake lol.

Stfu .. You don't have clue.. Stop acting like you do.. This is actually a good years for OT.. And I'll put some money behind my Opinion genius..

I got $50..

Saying 6 to 7 OT go in the 1st 2 days of the draft . That would be more than avg..

You like to gamble on freak athlete.. Gamble on your dumb opinions.. Put your money where your mouth is. .

 

[Sub Zero]

9 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

Lmao my opinion is dumb but I’m not the one mocking Ferrell as the 29th best prospect. I’m sorry your favorite player isn’t good enough. Nobody likes this dude enough to get to 10 looks. He’s below almost everyone I listed in the majority of mocks. There’s a reason Ferrell keeps getting mocked to or below us because he’s the worst of the bunch. My opinion is of that if every major scout covering the draft.

Ferrell is a average at best athlete and people don’t want average when defensive tackles are running 4.6 and ends running 4.41 sorry. It’s you who really should just stop posting on draft stuff. All your blurting out is”well he has stats and he’s this tall so he good” no it doesn’t work that way lol.

So the league is full of Dt running 4.6's and DE running 4.4?? Lol 

God you're stupid..

[kungfoodude]

8 hours ago, Sub Zero said:

Can we really have a reality check here.. 

He didn't do all the underwear Olympic because of his toe .. So we really don't know what kind of athlete he is.. Let's not pigeonhole him while you're giving the best case scenario to others.. He can be a day 1 starter and a double digit sack guy like CJ was.. He might not be the 14 to 16 sack guy but he can definitely be a 10 to 13 sack guy who also stops the run better than anybody in this draft... Who doesn't take that in a heartbeat at 16??

I mean, film kind of tells the story on him as an athlete, IMO. He is not the same level of athlete as the rest. I don't think I am in a minority opinion there. I don't know that I would see him as a double digit sack guy in his first couple of season, either. I don't see that as a big negative to picking him up. If he was a consistent 5-10 sack guy and was excellent in run support(which I suspect he will be) for the next 6-8 years, I don't see any reason to bitch about that.

Again, I don't have a real issue taking him but let's not pretend his ceiling is anywhere near the other top targets. Will he end up better than some of them? Probably.

[kungfoodude]

Sub Zero....yo, chill out. Jesus. You aren't making a solid case by just randomly lashing out at everyone who doesn't agree with you. I don't know why you keep considering it this massive slight to be considered a mid to late first round pick versus a top 15 pick. Also, saying he is not a great athlete does not imply that he is a bad athlete. 

Quit taking all of this so personally. His ceiling is not as high as the other top DE/EDGE prospects but his floor is also a lot higher. 

[Sub Zero]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Sub Zero....yo, chill out. Jesus. You aren't making a solid case by just randomly lashing out at everyone who doesn't agree with you. I don't know why you keep considering it this massive slight to be considered a mid to late first round pick versus a top 15 pick. Also, saying he is not a great athlete does not imply that he is a bad athlete. 

Quit taking all of this so personally. His ceiling is not as high as the other top DE/EDGE prospects but his floor is also a lot higher. 

What.. Dude relax you're the one taking this to serious trying to play mr. Save a hoe.. You can put your Cape and mask up.. If I see a dumb opinion I'll call it and not feel anything about it.. 

2nd this is a on going conversation between me and M28 .. Don't jump in Kool aid and not know the flavor boss. Stay in your dam lane..

Lastly.. I know you have a crystal ball but hold up telling me the future... We will find out who ceiling is higher or who actually makes it.. It's all a crap shoot.. I would take Sweat, Burns Gary or Ferrell which has always been my opinion.. So unlike some of you I'm not down on any of the prospects all have their strengths and weaknesses.. So again check the Koolaid before you make a opinion on it..

[Sub Zero]

52 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, film kind of tells the story on him as an athlete, IMO. He is not the same level of athlete as the rest. I don't think I am in a minority opinion there. I don't know that I would see him as a double digit sack guy in his first couple of season, either. I don't see that as a big negative to picking him up. If he was a consistent 5-10 sack guy and was excellent in run support(which I suspect he will be) for the next 6-8 years, I don't see any reason to bitch about that.

Again, I don't have a real issue taking him but let's not pretend his ceiling is anywhere near the other top targets. Will he end up better than some of them? Probably.

Oh it does.. This is going to be fun..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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