Mike Florio: Panthers seem to be poised to try to trade Cam Newton

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

It ain't the Panthers job to correct the media when the media throws poo at the wall

[Real1zOnly]

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

What are you hoping to accomplish by trading Cam? 

Im not trying to accomplish anything it's not my decision.

But if the plan is to rebuild, then Cam makes no sense with his health moving forward and him being 31 is not adding up to keep him long term. Trade him and move on. If not say you're keeping him and let it be known so we don't have to deal with these rumors.

If you don't get that then im sorry.

[Pantherzack179812]

Just now, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

It ain't the Panthers job to correct the media when the media throws poo at the wall

It's their job to sell tickets, if Cam is the QB and they're hiding it, they keep PSLs, Jerseys, and other merchandise available for sale. You're a dumba$$ if you think multi-billion dollar businesses play games with their businesses. 

[Pantherzack179812]

7 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

What are you hoping to accomplish by trading Cam? 

To gain stock to acquire Burrow, to help suck bad enough to get TL or Justin Fields. If we have a solid year in 2020 and Cam misses no games and wins one playoff game, we now have a unrestricted free agent QB we would have to extend at an average of 40 million a year. Rebuilding teams don't pay that. If Cam ain't willing to run 10-20 times a game, he is not the same QB.

[(ATL'ien)CamNewton]

Again .. it is not the Panthers job to correct the media ..

If the media says look for the Panthers to trade Cam Newton, and the Panthers don't deny that rumor, or even acknowledge it, that does not mean it is true.

[Pantherzack179812]

Just now, Pantherzack179812 said:

To gain stock to acquire Burrow, to help suck bad enough to get TL or Justin Fields. If we have a solid year in 2020 and Cam misses no games and wins one playoff game, we now have a unrestricted free agent QB we would have to extend at an average of 40 million a year. Rebuilding teams don't pay that. If Cam ain't willing to run 10-20 times a game, he is not the same QB.

Don't forget were on the midst of an NFL lockout due to the CBA expiring. We don't need to be having 200 million dollar negotiations.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

3 hours ago, TheRed said:

 

Publicly through all this drama with Cam our front office looks dysfunctional at best.

I am not aware of the FO doing anything except Tepper saying Cam needs to get healthy before we do anything (not his exact quote but my interpretation).  I get the frustration with the lack of clarity but it is linked to the lack of clarity surrounding the health of your franchise QB.  The drama is driven by the coverage and speculation. The strategy is to rebuild the football team whether or not that rebuild includes Cam as our QB is dependent on his recovery and any subsequent contract options( which should not be explored until you know his health status)  The rest is speculative click bait.  

[Bytes]

11 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Well it is already said that he will probably pass the physical so either way no way a former MVP is cut. That I dont believe has ever happened. I dout its as simple as this tho. This has been the same talk back and forth since was injuried.. No one has any solid info and the person closes to the situation Cam said his piece no one believed him and now the staff is in hush mode. Again if tepper wants to field a competent product Cam is back... no better options on the market that are as price effective with the upside and if we are looking to tank and overhaul he is gone, simple as that to me.

Peyton Manning was MVP 5 times and was cut. 

[Pantherzack179812]

1 minute ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Again .. it is not the Panthers job to correct the media ..

If the media says look for the Panthers to trade Cam Newton, and the Panthers don't deny that rumor, or even acknowledge it, that does not mean it is true.

What David Tepper did was affirm what the media has said all along. It all depends on Cam Newton's health...

Let's think on a level plain here... Cam Newton is now 100% diagnosed healthy by the team dr and a 2nd opinion from a 3rd party. Teams offer 1sts, potentially even a 2nd to go with a 1st for Cam Newton...

On offense, we have a TERRIBLE offensive line, defense we lost a future HOFer, and will likely lose the only decent secondary player we have kept since 2016... 

Cam Newton at 31 will have to carry the ball 15-20 times a game 16 times in one year to will the Panthers to the playoffs... The defense is not stopping the Saints, it is painfully obvious... 

So here's what you can have... A 1st and or a 2nd... Or a 9-7 to 11-5 season that likely ends in Cam demanding a HUGE contract, that Rhule will spit at due to the fact of not wanting to hinge his success on a 32 year old dual threat QB who is a above average passer IF he can stay healthy. 

You're talking about a man who accumulated a 12 billion dollar net worth through a chance business... Here's how Tepper thinks... Chances of 1st round pick If offered... 100%, chances of Cam Newton returning to form... 25-50% at best (you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise). 

Christian McCaffery has shown already that he can not will a team to victory... We lost GB, NO, WAS, TAMPA, all with him carrying the ball in the redzone with a chance to win. Kyle Allen can't win games when you give him the ball once and CMC the ball 2-3 times... Not saying KA is great or CMC sucks, but when you're 0-5 when given the ball in important situations, don't be yelling MVP... 

The issue isn't Cam or us, it's time... 1 year is not enough to get a fair assumption before investing 200 million dollars. Honestly, we could make a run for Dak Prescott if we want to pay that much.

[Pantherzack179812]

14 minutes ago, (ATL'ien)CamNewton said:

Again .. it is not the Panthers job to correct the media ..

If the media says look for the Panthers to trade Cam Newton, and the Panthers don't deny that rumor, or even acknowledge it, that does not mean it is true.

Poo me all you want bro, we couldn't stop a 2-7 Falcons team on our home field with Luke Kuechly, arguably the greatest MLB in history... What makes you think we're doing it with a transitioning College DC? 

[Pantherzack179812]

7 minutes ago, Pejorative Miscreant said:

I am not aware of the FO doing anything except Tepper saying Cam needs to get healthy before we do anything (not his exact quote but my interpretation).  I get the frustration with the lack of clarity but it is linked to the lack of clarity surrounding the health of your franchise QB.  The drama is driven by the coverage and speculation. The strategy is to rebuild the football team whether or not that rebuild includes Cam as our QB is dependent on his recovery and any subsequent contract options( which should not be explored until you know his health status)  The rest is speculative click bait.  

Plus, the Tepper tried to dismiss the question.... He was forced to answer it and it was clear the media would not quit badgering him. 

Seems like it is convenient to leave out that Cam decided to declare his staying in Carolina before the organization was ready to commit to it. It's not far-fetched that might rub Tepper the wrong way... Tepper might've told him if physical shows your foot is good, we're going to keep you. Cam goes and runs to the media with his little meeting and Pisses Tepper off... I would not be mad at Tepper for it. I wouldn't want to be spoken for by someone on my payroll.

[grateflday]

50 minutes ago, grateflday said:

Can't wait for this topic to end.   Cam has little trade value.  He has not played in close to two full seasons, and because of last year, the jury is still out on if he shoulder can hold up for an entire season..... so no one is trading much value for Cam AND the Panthers NEED a QB.  When you look at the options they have going into next season right now Cam is their best option.  Worst case scenario they are right where they are just a year later.   

 

42 minutes ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Go look up Sam Bradford trade... Look at his injury history before that trade was made. Cam's shoulder is not the issue here, it is the foot. The Panthers can likely put medical records out for interested suiters. If Cam has little trade value, he needs to be cut for the same reason he has little trade value... if he isn't worth even a 2nd, time to go bye bye. The Panthers NEED a lot more to win in 2020, it would require restructuring deals out the ass to open the cap space to win 10-12 games in 2020 under a new HC and OC... Cam will have rust no matter what... I'd rather get a extra pick to fix the offensive line. We don't have the talent to win a Super Bowl, best case scenario is a miracle 10-6 year with a divisional road loss and Cam holding out for 5 years 200 million at 32.

Obviously I disagree for the most part.  I did look up the Bradford trade and yeah I guess if the Panthers could get a 1st & 4th round pick, then maybe I'd be more ok with that and use to build the OL, etc.  I still don't think they will get close to that.  I also think Cam's shoulder is still somewhat of an issue since he came back from a shoulder injury and yeah after getting blasted by Watt he didnt make it through a season, and last year was the year to see if he could get through an entire one which no team saw due to the foot injury.  So there is still risk there with the shoulder.  

Bottom line for me is before the team goes back into full looking/hoping we have a QB mode hell..... that if Panthers think Cam is healthy they role with him.  Worse case, we are right where the team is now and draft our QB in 2021; best case we have a good to great QB and can still look for a QB of the future while trying to win a Superbowl with Cam.  Teams turn around fast and that is possible with a health Cam.  

Time will tell how this all plays out and ultimately what was the right decision. 

 

 

[morgan55]

18 hours ago, TheRed said:

I'm over the speculation. All I know for sure is this is a move that will either end with David Tepper being beloved or despised. We have to absolutely knock it out of the park the next few years in the draft and free agency.

Yea good luck with Marty 

[morgan55]

3 hours ago, Pantherzack179812 said:

Poo me all you want bro, we couldn't stop a 2-7 Falcons team on our home field with Luke Kuechly, arguably the greatest MLB in history... What makes you think we're doing it with a transitioning College DC? 

Did you watch how that dline played?