Panthers alumni answer questions about Cam Newton

LinvilleGorge · May 26, 2020

6 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Neither do his supporters on this issue. They will make every excuse in the world why he wasnt that successful, why he was cut, why he hasnt signed. And in the same breath tell you he should be in the HoF. Can you image not meeting your goals on your job and blaming management? Or your peers? I am pretty sure that wouldn't go over well. Cam never had back to back winning seasons, he is a below 60% career passer for NINE YEARS. His TD/INT ratio sucks but yet we are supposed to believe that he is better than most of the QBs in the league.....OK. As Bill Parcells said. You are what your record says you are.

Damn, we went 5-11 last year. I guess that means CMC's historic season was an abject failure.

Bytes · May 26, 2020

23 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Damn, we went 5-11 last year. I guess that means CMC's historic season was an abject failure.

Man... I expect better from you. This statement is really unfortunate. Football is the ultimate team sport. It is not uncommon for a a player to have a banner year, or game and his team still loses. Dont deflect. Man up.

LinvilleGorge · May 26, 2020

3 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Man... I expect better from you. This statement is really unfortunate. Football is the ultimate team sport. It is not uncommon for a a player to have a banner year, or game and his team still loses. Dont deflect. Man up.

I absolutely agree with this. I'm not deflecting, I'm mocking your previous post.

It's interesting that when CMC is discussed, it's the ultimate team sport yet when Cam is discussed that "you are what your record says you are". BTW, Cam has a winning record as a starting QB with quite a few wins to spare.

Bytes · May 26, 2020

9 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I absolutely agree with this. I'm not deflecting, I'm mocking your previous post.

It's interesting that when CMC is discussed, it's the ultimate team sport yet when Cam is discussed that "you are what your record says you are". BTW, Cam has a winning record as a starting QB with quite a few wins to spare.

My point is CMC produced. Cam did not. So yes....YOUR RECORD IS WHAT YOUR RECORD SAY YOU ARE. Again Cam NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Cam is a sub par 60% passer. Cam TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are not opinions. They are facts no matter how you try to explain away, deflect to other players, get opinions from other players. Those are facts. I dont care what he wore after the game; who his wife is, who girl friend is, how many baby momas he has , his muscle build. It only matters to me if he produced. HE DIDNT. At least not cinsistently. Becausee I want my team to win...CONSISTENTLY.

LinvilleGorge · May 26, 2020

3 minutes ago, Bytes said:

My point is CMC produced. Cam did not. So yes....YOUR RECORD IS WHAT YOUR RECORD SAY YOU ARE. Again Cam NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Cam is a sub par 60% passer. Cam TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are not opinions. They are facts no matter how you try to explain away, deflect to other players, get opinions from other players. Those are facts. I dont care what he wore after the game; who his wife is, who girl friend is, how many baby momas he has , his muscle build. It only matters to me if he produced. HE DIDNT. At least not cinsistently. Becausee I want my team to win...CONSISTENTLY.

So, what do you think our record would've been over those years without Cam? It just interesting that you pile the blame on him for all of the losing, but none of the winning and ignore his completion percentage the one season we didn't ask him to constantly throw deep down the field to blanketed WRs.

kungfoodude · May 26, 2020

8 minutes ago, Bytes said:

My point is CMC produced. Cam did not. So yes....YOUR RECORD IS WHAT YOUR RECORD SAY YOU ARE. Again Cam NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Cam is a sub par 60% passer. Cam TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are not opinions. They are facts no matter how you try to explain away, deflect to other players, get opinions from other players. Those are facts. I dont care what he wore after the game; who his wife is, who girl friend is, how many baby momas he has , his muscle build. It only matters to me if he produced. HE DIDNT. At least not cinsistently. Becausee I want my team to win...CONSISTENTLY.

Bitch, this franchise has never had back to back winning seasons in it's entire fuging history. That Cam's fault too?

Bytes · May 26, 2020

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

So, what do you think our record would've been over those years without Cam? It just interesting that you pile the blame on him for all of the losing, but none of the winning and ignore his completion percentage the one season we didn't ask him to constantly throw deep down the field to blanketed WRs.

Who knows? But I know this. He didnt. He wasnt that good on a personal staticstical level. He wasnt that good on a team level. Tell me this, which one would have..... A guy who leads his team to a 16 - 0 season sandwich between two 7-9 seasons or a guy that led his team to 3 consecutive 10-6 seasons? Maybe you are in the minority but most fans would pick the latter. Because more than likely you are in the playoffs at 10-6 every year. And make no bones about it. The NFL is a QB driven league. So goes your QB, So goes your team.

I will always value consistency over high peaks in valleys. Maybe thats just me.

Bytes · May 26, 2020

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Bitch, this franchise has never had back to back winning seasons in it's entire fuging history. That Cam's fault too?

fug you *****.

Icege · May 26, 2020

1 hour ago, Bytes said:

My point is CMC produced. Cam did not. So yes....YOUR RECORD IS WHAT YOUR RECORD SAY YOU ARE. Again Cam NEVER had back to back winning seasons. Cam is a sub par 60% passer. Cam TD/INT ratio sucks. Those are not opinions. They are facts no matter how you try to explain away, deflect to other players, get opinions from other players. Those are facts. I dont care what he wore after the game; who his wife is, who girl friend is, how many baby momas he has , his muscle build. It only matters to me if he produced. HE DIDNT. At least not cinsistently. Becausee I want my team to win...CONSISTENTLY.

No Panthers player has ever had back to back winning seasons as a Panther.

Was Steve Smith what his record said he was until he got to the Ravens?

Icege · May 26, 2020

33 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Who knows? But I know this. He didnt. He wasnt that good on a personal staticstical level. He wasnt that good on a team level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Newton

Accomplishments and records

Awards

NFL MVP (2015)
NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2015)
Best NFL Player ESPY Award (2016)
PFWA All-NFL Team (2015)
PFWA All-NFC Team (2015)
Bert Bell Award (2015)
PFWA All-Rookie Team (2011)
All-Iron Award (2015)^[239]
NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month (September 2011)^[154]
3× Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week (Weeks 4, 15, 16 2011)^[154]
10× NFC Offensive Player of the Week^[174]
Consensus All-American (2010)
First-team All-SEC (2010)
Sporting News College Player of the Year (2010)

Rookie records

Most combined touchdowns for a rookie in NFL history (35)^[240]
Most combined yards for a rookie in NFL history (4,784)^[241]
First rookie to pass for at least 4,000 yards^[242]
First and only rookie to pass for more than 4,000 yards and rush for more than 700 yards^[243]
First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[244] (Record beat by Andrew Luck)

Records and achievements

Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (58)^[245]
Most passing yards by a quarterback in his first two games (854), September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[246]
Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)^[245]
Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady^[247]
First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, one passing touchdown, and one rushing touchdown in a single game (2)^[248]
Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8)^[249]
Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season: 2015^[250]
Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers^[251]
Most combined yards in a player's first five seasons (21,560)^[252]
First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons^[253]
First quarterback in NFL history to win both NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and NFL MVP at some point in his career.
Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals^[254]
First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[244]
Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs. Green Bay Packers, and vs. Jacksonville Jaguars)^[255]
Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games^[254]
First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games^[256]
Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons^[257]
First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons^[258]
First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons^[259]
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season^[260]
First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season^[261]
First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons^[262]
First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season^[263]
First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons^[264]
First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons^[265]
First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons^[266]
First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game (December 20, 2015).^[267]
First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game^[266]
First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season (2011, 2015)^[253]
First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons (2011, 2015)^[268]
Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season^[266]
Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era^[266]
Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown (4 games)^[269]
Third quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown^[270]
Second quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown^[271]
Most touchdown passes from a player from Auburn^[272]
First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons (2013–2015)
Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning ('99)^[273]
First quarterback in NFL history to earn a comeback victory when trailing in overtime^[165]
Third quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3,000 yards in his first five seasons^[274]
Second most 5+ touchdown games in a single season (3)^[275]
Second quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game^[276]
First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game^[277]
Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four seasons (33)^[278]

Panthers franchise records

Note: records current as of 2017 off-season^[279]

Pass completions, career (1,710), rookie season (310)
Pass attempts, career (2,928), playoff game (41, 2016-02-07 N-DEN)
Passing yards, career (25,074), game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB), playoff game (335, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (4,051), rookie game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB)
Passing touchdowns, career (158), game (5, thrice, shared with Steve Beuerlein),^[280] rookie season (21), rookie game (3, 2011-10-30 MIN and 2011-12-24 TAM, shared with Kerry Collins)
Interceptions, rookie game (4, 2011-11-20 @DET; shared with Kerry Collins (twice) and Chris Weinke)
Passer Rating, season (99.4 in 2015), game (153.3, 2015-12-13 ATL), playoff career (83.9), rookie season (84.5), rookie game (142.4, 2011-12-24 TAM)
Times sacked, career (221), game (9, 2014-11-10 @PHI; shared with Frank Reich), playoffs (16; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff season (8 in 2015; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff game (6, 2016-02-07 N-DEN), rookie season (35)
Yards per pass attempt, career (7.44), season (7.98 in 2012), game (12.65, 2012-09-16 NOR), playoff season (10.68 in 2013), playoff game (11.96, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (7.84), and rookie game (11.41, 2011-09-11 @ARI)
Passing yards per game, career (234.1), playoffs (245.3), playoff season (267 in 2013), and rookie season (253.2)
300+ yard passing games, career (15) and rookie season (3)
4000+ yard passing seasons: 1 (shared with Steve Beuerlein)
Rushing touchdowns, career (48), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)
Yards per carry, career (5.18), season (5.83 in 2012), rookie season (5.60)
Rush/Rec Touchdowns, playoff game (2; shared with 3 players), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)
Games with 1+ TD, rookie season (10)
Games with 2+ TD, rookie season (3)
Most combined yards in franchise history^[281]
Most NFC Offensive Player of the Week Awards in a single season (5)^[282]
2nd player in franchise history to win NFC Offensive Player of the Week Award multiple times in a single season^[171]
Completions in a row (15) (December 6, 2015 vs. New Orleans Saints)^[283]
1st quarterback in franchise history to throw four TD passes in the first half of a game (November 22, 2015 v Washington Redskins)

Bytes · May 26, 2020

7 minutes ago, Icege said:

No Panthers player has ever had back to back winning seasons as a Panther.

Was Steve Smith what his record said he was until he got to the Ravens?

OK.. let me sum this up:

Its ok that Cam has never had back to back winning seasons because no other Panther player has.
Cam's numbers are average because his O Line was bad, lack of running game, bad receivers, bad FO, and bad coaching.
He's not signed because of pandemic, injury, fit and race while many other players have signed.

Got it. You guys win.

Icege · May 27, 2020

2 minutes ago, Bytes said:

OK.. let me sum this up:

Its ok that Cam has never had back to back winning seasons because no other Panther player has.
Cam's numbers are average because his O Line was bad, lack of running game, bad receivers, bad FO, and bad coaching.
He's not signed because of pandemic, injury, fit and race while many other players have signed.

Got it. You guys win.

talking season 9 GIF by Curb Your Enthusiasm

LinvilleGorge · May 27, 2020

42 minutes ago, Bytes said:

Who knows? But I know this. He didnt. He wasnt that good on a personal staticstical level. He wasnt that good on a team level. Tell me this, which one would have..... A guy who leads his team to a 16 - 0 season sandwich between two 7-9 seasons or a guy that led his team to 3 consecutive 10-6 seasons? Maybe you are in the minority but most fans would pick the latter. Because more than likely you are in the playoffs at 10-6 every year. And make no bones about it. The NFL is a QB driven league. So goes your QB, So goes your team.

I will always value consistency over high peaks in valleys. Maybe thats just me.

All I get from you is that when Cam is involved, the record matters (his record being an overall winning one on an overall losing record of a franchise, mind you) but when it's a player you actually like, it's the ultimate team sport.

You just don't like Cam for whatever reason. Simply admit that and move on.

Bytes · May 27, 2020

6 minutes ago, Icege said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Newton

Accomplishments and records

Awards

NFL MVP (2015)

NFL Offensive Player of the Year (2015)

Best NFL Player ESPY Award (2016)

PFWA All-NFL Team (2015)

PFWA All-NFC Team (2015)

Bert Bell Award (2015)

PFWA All-Rookie Team (2011)

All-Iron Award (2015)^[239]

NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month (September 2011)^[154]

3× Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Week (Weeks 4, 15, 16 2011)^[154]

10× NFC Offensive Player of the Week^[174]

Consensus All-American (2010)

First-team All-SEC (2010)

Sporting News College Player of the Year (2010)

Rookie records

Most combined touchdowns for a rookie in NFL history (35)^[240]

Most combined yards for a rookie in NFL history (4,784)^[241]

First rookie to pass for at least 4,000 yards^[242]

First and only rookie to pass for more than 4,000 yards and rush for more than 700 yards^[243]

First rookie in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in back to back games, September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[244] (Record beat by Andrew Luck)

Records and achievements

Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in NFL history (58)^[245]

Most passing yards by a quarterback in his first two games (854), September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[246]

Most games in NFL history with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown (32)^[245]

Most player of the week awards in a single season (5) tied with Tom Brady^[247]

First player in NFL history and most games with at least 250 passing yards, 100 rushing yards, one passing touchdown, and one rushing touchdown in a single game (2)^[248]

Most games in single season with at least one passing touchdown and one rushing touchdown (8)^[249]

Only player in NFL history with at least 30 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in same season: 2015^[250]

Most rushing touchdowns in single season by a quarterback (14), achieved on December 4, 2011 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers^[251]

Most combined yards in a player's first five seasons (21,560)^[252]

First quarterback and fifth player in NFL history with at least 500 rushing yards, 5 rushing touchdowns, and 4.8 yards a carry in 5 consecutive NFL seasons^[253]

First quarterback in NFL history to win both NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and NFL MVP at some point in his career.

Most passing yards by a quarterback in debut game (422), September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals^[254]

First quarterback in NFL history to pass for more than 400 yards in first two career starts, September 11, 2011 against the Arizona Cardinals and September 18, 2011 against the Green Bay Packers^[244]

Fastest player to throw for 1,000 yards (at Arizona Cardinals, vs. Green Bay Packers, and vs. Jacksonville Jaguars)^[255]

Sixth quarterback to throw for 400+ yards in back to back games^[254]

First player in NFL history with at least five rushing touchdowns and five passing touchdowns in his first five games^[256]

Twenty-fifth NFL player (and first quarterback) to have 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons^[257]

First player to have 30 passing touchdowns and 20 rushing touchdowns in first two seasons^[258]

First player in NFL history with 50 passing touchdowns and 25 rushing touchdowns in his first three seasons^[259]

First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season^[260]

First player in NFL history with 4,000+ passing yards and 500+ rushing yards in a season^[261]

First quarterback in NFL history with 100+ pass touchdowns and 25+ rush touchdowns in first five seasons^[262]

First quarterback in NFL history with multiple seasons of 20+ passing touchdowns and 10+ rushing touchdowns in a season^[263]

First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons^[264]

First player in NFL history with 10,000 passing yards and 2,000 rushing yards in his first four seasons^[265]

First player in NFL history to have at least 3,000 passing yards and 500 rushing yards in five consecutive seasons^[266]

First quarterback in NFL history to rush for 100+ yards and pass for 300+ yards with 5 touchdowns in a single game (December 20, 2015).^[267]

First player in NFL history with 100+ rush yards and 5 pass touchdowns in a single game^[266]

First player with 3,500 passing yards, 20 passing touchdowns and 10 rushing touchdowns in a single season (2011, 2015)^[253]

First quarterback in NFL history with 10+ rushing touchdowns in multiple NFL seasons (2011, 2015)^[268]

Fifth quarterback in NFL history with 3+ games with 5+ touchdown passes in a season^[266]

Fourth quarterback to win 17+ straight regular season starts in the Super Bowl era^[266]

Most games in NFL history with at least 200 passing yards and 80 rushing yards with multiple touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown (4 games)^[269]

Third quarterback in NFL history with 2+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown^[270]

Second quarterback in NFL history with 3+ passing touchdowns and 1+ rushing touchdown^[271]

Most touchdown passes from a player from Auburn^[272]

First starting quarterback to win the NFC South in consecutive seasons (2013–2015)

Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass touchdowns in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning ('99)^[273]

First quarterback in NFL history to earn a comeback victory when trailing in overtime^[165]

Third quarterback in NFL history to pass for over 3,000 yards in his first five seasons^[274]

Second most 5+ touchdown games in a single season (3)^[275]

Second quarterback with 300+ passing yards and 100+ rushing yards in a single game^[276]

First player in Super Bowl era to pass for 300 yards and rush for multiple touchdowns in a playoff game^[277]

Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in his first four seasons (33)^[278]

Panthers franchise records

Note: records current as of 2017 off-season^[279]

Pass completions, career (1,710), rookie season (310)

Pass attempts, career (2,928), playoff game (41, 2016-02-07 N-DEN)

Passing yards, career (25,074), game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB), playoff game (335, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (4,051), rookie game (432, 2011-09-18 GNB)

Passing touchdowns, career (158), game (5, thrice, shared with Steve Beuerlein),^[280] rookie season (21), rookie game (3, 2011-10-30 MIN and 2011-12-24 TAM, shared with Kerry Collins)

Interceptions, rookie game (4, 2011-11-20 @DET; shared with Kerry Collins (twice) and Chris Weinke)

Passer Rating, season (99.4 in 2015), game (153.3, 2015-12-13 ATL), playoff career (83.9), rookie season (84.5), rookie game (142.4, 2011-12-24 TAM)

Times sacked, career (221), game (9, 2014-11-10 @PHI; shared with Frank Reich), playoffs (16; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff season (8 in 2015; shared with Jake Delhomme), playoff game (6, 2016-02-07 N-DEN), rookie season (35)

Yards per pass attempt, career (7.44), season (7.98 in 2012), game (12.65, 2012-09-16 NOR), playoff season (10.68 in 2013), playoff game (11.96, 2016-01-24 ARI), rookie season (7.84), and rookie game (11.41, 2011-09-11 @ARI)

Passing yards per game, career (234.1), playoffs (245.3), playoff season (267 in 2013), and rookie season (253.2)

300+ yard passing games, career (15) and rookie season (3)

4000+ yard passing seasons: 1 (shared with Steve Beuerlein)

Rushing touchdowns, career (48), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)

Yards per carry, career (5.18), season (5.83 in 2012), rookie season (5.60)

Rush/Rec Touchdowns, playoff game (2; shared with 3 players), rookie season (14), rookie game (3, 2011-12-04 @TAM; shared with Fred Lane)

Games with 1+ TD, rookie season (10)

Games with 2+ TD, rookie season (3)

Most combined yards in franchise history^[281]

Most NFC Offensive Player of the Week Awards in a single season (5)^[282]

2nd player in franchise history to win NFC Offensive Player of the Week Award multiple times in a single season^[171]

Completions in a row (15) (December 6, 2015 vs. New Orleans Saints)^[283]

1st quarterback in franchise history to throw four TD passes in the first half of a game (November 22, 2015 v Washington Redskins)

Compare his CAREER numbers to:

* Rodgers
* Brees
* Brady
* Wilson
* Ryan
* Mahomes
* Even Wentz
* Cousins
* Watson
* Prescott
* Big Ben
* Rivers

I'm am not going to include Jackson, Murray or Minshaw because their careers are just starting in the effort of being fair. But if you were that would be almost half of the league that is better statistically. Because for me, I like to compare performance to peers not by internal franchise records. How many times did Cam compete against Delhomme? Cam stats are what they are, you can deflect all you want. it wont change them.

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