Alternate Trade Up Scenario

[kungfoodude]

8 minutes ago, Varking said:

Much better than the mocks giving up multiple firsts. 

I mean, sure but still.....

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Brugler's scenario also includes next year's first.

That is the first mentioned. Our #8 doesn't count, as it is a pick swap.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, sure but still.....

That is the first mentioned. Our #8 doesn't count, as it is a pick swap.

Fair point.

[panthers320]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, sure but still.....

That is the first mentioned. Our #8 doesn't count, as it is a pick swap.

So you only consider it multiple 1sts if we trade away 3 1st round picks (this year and 2 future picks)?

[ECHornet]

3 hours ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Have you seen the QBS coming up in 2022?  We don't have a choice BUT to mortgage the future.  This team is going to be middling indefinitely if we don't get a quality signal caller.

Give me Sam Howell over Wilson all day. 

[panthers320]

10 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I mean, sure but still.....

That is the first mentioned. Our #8 doesn't count, as it is a pick swap.

If we trade #8 and a future 1st for Watson it's multiple 1sts but if we trade #8 and a future 1st to move up to 2 its not multiple 1sts? Both are multiple 1sts

[kungfoodude]

2 minutes ago, panthers320 said:

So you only consider it multiple 1sts if we trade away 3 1st round picks (this year and 2 future picks)?

If we trade our #8 for a #3, we didn't "trade away" another first. We literally get one in return. 

So the cost of that pick swap was one first(2022), a third and a fifth.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, panthers320 said:

If we trade #8 and a future 1st for Watson it's multiple 1sts but if we trade #8 and a future 1st to move up to 2 its not multiple 1sts? Both are multiple 1sts

In scenario two, we get a first back.

Net loss is only one pick.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, panthers320 said:

If we trade #8 and a future 1st for Watson it's multiple 1sts but if we trade #8 and a future 1st to move up to 2 its not multiple 1sts? Both are multiple 1sts

That is trading a player for picks. We get no 1st round pick in return for our first round pick(s).

Edited February 11, 2021 by kungfoodude

[panthers320]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

If we trade our #8 for a #3, we didn't "trade away" another first. We literally get one in return. 

So the cost of that pick swap was one first(2022), a third and a fifth.

you still traded away 2 1st round picks though

[kungfoodude]

Just now, panthers320 said:

you still traded away 2 1st round picks though

I can't help you see this. Not within my powers.

[panthers320]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

That is trading a player for picks. We get no 1st round pick in return for our first round pick(s).

but that 1st round pick turns into a player. Either way you would be trading away 2 1st for either a player or the right to select a player. 

[panthers320]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I can't help you see this. Not within my powers.

I dont know how you can't see that in either case you are giving up 2 1st round picks. Its just the return that is different not the offer

[panthers320]

It doesnt happen in the NFL but say the Jets drafted Wilson at #2 then immediately turned to the panthers and said we will give you his rights for the #8 and next years 1st. In your logic we would be giving up multiple 1sts for him, but had we traded #8 and next year's 1st to the Jets before the pick was made and we made the pick ourselves we would not be giving up multiple 1st. Please explain that. 

[Mr. Scot]

11 minutes ago, panthers320 said:

but that 1st round pick turns into a player. Either way you would be trading away 2 1st for either a player or the right to select a player. 

I mean in simplest terms, think of it as something else.

We've all got a bunch of apples. I give you two of mine. You keep those but give me one of yours. I'm only out one apple.

It not being the same apple I gave up doesn't change that it's an apple.