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1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

Fair enough.  Yes I think it's bad, but I also think emphasizing "what NFL front offices think of you" over actual NFL production puts you in weird territory that leads to conclusions like Sam Darnold (2nd and 4th round pick trade value) > Gardner Minshew (6th round pick trade value) which I think most people would argue is laughable.  And again, if we cut Sam Darnold tomorrow and a team signs him as their back-up QB it isn't gonna make me think any more highly of Darnold than if we cut him tomorrow and nobody picks him up.

Yeah but there will always be dumb teams. The fact that no one hired him and we did.....well.....does you think 31 other teams are dumb?

The Sam Darnold move is a great example of us doing something dumb that zero other teams would have done. 

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47 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Such a weird statement....did you even bother looking any of this up before you formulated this opinion?  We're talking about the 2015 Giants who lost 8 of their 10 games by one score?  That's the team who racked up a bunch of garbage stats to inflate their offensive performance?  Yeah, the team probably sucked cause their defense was ranked 30th/32nd (points/yardage).  I'm sure you will explain to me how that was McAdoo's fault though.  And are we talking about the same "2-time Super Bowl champion Eli" (lol) who went for:

-7766 yards, 44 TDs, 42 INTs, 58.7% completion, 78.3 QB rating in the 2 seasons prior to McAdoo

-8842 yards, 65 TDs, 28 INTs, 62.9% completion, 92.9 QB rating in the 2 seasons under OC McAdoo

That Super Bowl champion Eli?  I would be thrilled if we had 1/10th of this turnaround in QB play with McAdoo.

Didn’t say it was McAdoo’s fault the team sucked overall and only won 6 games in each of those 2 seasons.  But it’s still relevant. 

if you suck and have the offense open for all 4 quarters….it can lead to inflated offensive stats. 

So you don’t want to talk about all 4 years.   Now you want to rule out 2014 too?   You only broke down 2015.   And final score ending within a score also doesn’t tell the whole picture.  You would need to breakdown the late scores that brought it within a score.   Because that’s how you get inflated offense.  Being wide open for 4 quarters while other teams are sitting on the win.  For example, Panthers were up 21 going into the 4th q.     Washington up 17 going to to the 4th in 2015.   Those were some of your close losses you referenced on that lone season. 

* you cut it out of the quote.  But was Mike Shula an excellent OC in 2015? Because he had the #1 scoring O in the NFL?  I don’t think he was excellent.  So I don’t just use a ranking and let it carry all the weight on an OC.  I don’t think McAdoo was great.  Shula most definitely wasn’t.  

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8 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but there will always be dumb teams. The fact that no one hired him and we did.....well.....does you think 31 other teams are dumb?

The Sam Darnold move is a great example of us doing something dumb that zero other teams would have done. 

There was that rumor about the 49ers offering a 1st round pick for Darnold before last year's draft.  And you can certainly argue that we foolishly overpaid for Darnold, but you'd have to agree that Darnold in all likelihood would have fetched more than Gardner Minshew did (6th round pick) in which case my point would still be valid.  That NFL front offices valued Darnold more than Minshew which clearly does not make him the superior QB.

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14 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

There was that rumor about the 49ers offering a 1st round pick for Darnold before last year's draft.  And you can certainly argue that we foolishly overpaid for Darnold, but you'd have to agree that Darnold in all likelihood would have fetched more than Gardner Minshew did (6th round pick) in which case my point would still be valid.  That NFL front offices valued Darnold more than Minshew which clearly does not make him the superior QB.

The 49ers rumor is the only thing some of you have to hang your hats on. At the time of our trade what other teams were in negotiations? None? That tells you his value. We bid against ourselves and then picked up that fifth year option like we were big brain status. Whoops!

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15 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

There was that rumor about the 49ers offering a 1st round pick for Darnold before last year's draft.  And you can certainly argue that we foolishly overpaid for Darnold, but you'd have to agree that Darnold in all likelihood would have fetched more than Gardner Minshew did (6th round pick) in which case my point would still be valid.  That NFL front offices valued Darnold more than Minshew which clearly does not make him the superior QB.

Rumors aren't facts. 

The "value" on Darnold was established by one specific dumb team. 

Same with the "value" of Matt Rhule when we hired him.

Same dumb team did both of those things. Same dumb team that hired McAdoo.

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8 minutes ago, CRA said:

Didn’t say it was McAdoo’s fault the team sucked overall and only won 6 games in each of those 2 seasons.  But it’s still relevant. 

if you suck and have the offense open for all 4 quarters….it can lead to inflated offensive stats. 

So you don’t want to talk about all 4 years.   Now you want to rule out 2014 too?   You only broke down 2015.   And final score ending within a score also doesn’t tell the whole picture.  You would need to breakdown the late scores that brought it within a score.   Because that’s how you get inflated offense.  Being wide open for 4 quarters while other teams are sitting on the win. 
 

* you cut it out of the quote.  But Mike Shula an excellent OC in 2015? Because he had the #1 scoring O in the NFL? 

First about Shula - remember that "control variable" thing I mentioned?  If we had a different OC in 2014 and largely the same roster (most notably, the QB) and the notable difference was that we hired Shula and then all of a sudden we turned from a mediocre/bad offense to the #1 offense in his first year, then hell yeah I'd give Shula mad props.  I can also speak much more confidently and with nuance about the Panthers than I can about the 2013-2018 or w/e Giants, so this is a poor analogy to ask me to compare our own OC to one of a different team.  I don't presume to have followed the Giants that closely to be able to be able to attribute X% of the Giants' offensive success to McAdoo vs. other variables.  You sure as hell are clueless about the Giants too, considering you baselessly overestimated Coughlin's role in their 2014-2015 offense before I had to refute it with 2 seconds of Google searches.  All I can do is evaluate the Giants' roster/coaching staff pre-McAdoo and post-McAdoo and consider the significant role of an offensive coordinator to a team's offensive output and make an educated guess about how much of a factor McAdoo was specifically to their offensive turnaround.  Manning was a constant, then you're looking at a receiving corps of Hakeem Nicks/Victor Cruz (one of the best 1-2 WR tandems) in 2013 vs. rookie OBJ/Reuben Randle in 2014.  I'd call that a wash.  So from a purely analytical sense from someone who hasn't watched every Giants game for the past 10 years, the evidence looks promising in favor of McAdoo.  That's literally all I've been saying all along...that McAdoo has a small sample size as an NFL OC and it's relatively encouraging.  That's the ridiculously controversial statement that you find to be offensive.  I'm not even predicting McAdoo to be a good OC for us.

As to the bold - yeah I already did that and you're flat out wrong.  In many cases it was opposing teams who were down the whole game only to come back because the Giants went conservative on D (sound familiar?).  It must be nice to say whatever you want and force the opposition to do all the research to refute it.  I've done enough of that so I'll just say you're wrong about this whole "garbage time" narrative...if you want to prove *me* wrong then feel free to actually do some research and come to me with stats.  Here's a simple one - the Giants in 2013 had a 60/40 pass/run ratio.  The Giants in 2014 had a 57/43 pass/run ratio.  So that makes the whole "SUPER BOWL CHAMP Eli Manning airing it out all game" narrative seem a bit questionable.  Were only the 2014 and 2015 Giants in garbage time "airing it out" situations but not the 2013 (7-9) Giants?  Why the huge discrepancy in offensive performance?  I'm also not talking about "all four years" because YOU explicitly started your statement off referencing McAdoo's "pure OC years".

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1 minute ago, frankw said:

The 49ers rumor is the only thing some of you have to hang your hats on. At the time of our trade what other teams were in negotiations? None? That tells you his value. We bid against ourselves and then picked up that fifth year option like we were big brain status. Whoops!

Who is "some of you"?  Are you under the impression that I said anything positive about Darnold at all or the trade?

And if no other team wanted Darnold, we're still ultimately having to bid against the Jets themselves to give them an offer enticing enough to part from him.  Let's say we're theoretically the only team to call the Packers inquiring about Jordan Love.  That doesn't mean we can all of a sudden offer a 2039 7th round pick and they'll be like "well.....I guess that is technically the best offer on the table...".

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35 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Rumors aren't facts. 

The "value" on Darnold was established by one specific dumb team. 

Same with the "value" of Matt Rhule when we hired him.

Same dumb team did both of those things. Same dumb team that hired McAdoo.

So do you truly think there is no team in the NFL who would have offered even a 5th round pick for Darnold last offseason?  I assure you teams would fork up more than a 6th round pick for a talented and young QB coming from a disastrous organization in hopes of a miracle reclamation project.  Now we can say with confidence that Darnold is just bad, but there was at least a legitimate question before last season as to whether Darnold's struggles were entirely his fault or if the Jets set him up for failure.

Keep in mind that the "value" of a player isn't dictated just by outside teams bidding for said player.  It's also established by the team with said player (in this case, the Jets) who is determining the price point in which they are comfortable giving a player up.  No matter how incompetent you and I and everyone else believe the Panthers' FO to be, you would be crazy to believe that the 2nd + 4th price point was our initial willy-nilly offer to the Jets without any kind of back-and-forth negotiations.  That was certainly an overpay and one of the worst trades in team history, but I guarantee you our initial offer was a hell of a lot less than that.  That's just common sense 101 negotiating.  Just like how ruthless businessman Tepper who was trying to chew Rock Hill for every penny he could get, probably didn't just go up to Rhule and say "here's my very first offer: 7 years $62 million!".  But if you genuinely need definitive reporting to substantiate that, then I guess I'm stumped because I don't have that.

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1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

So do you truly think there is no team in the NFL who would have offered even a 5th round pick for Darnold last offseason?  I assure you teams would fork up more than a 6th round pick for a talented and young QB coming from a disastrous organization in hopes of a miracle reclamation project.  Now we can say with confidence that Darnold is just bad, but there was at least a legitimate question before last season as to whether Darnold's struggles were entirely his fault or if the Jets set him up for failure.

Keep in mind that the "value" of a player isn't dictated just by outside teams bidding for said player.  It's also established by the team with said player (in this case, the Jets) who is determining the price point in which they are comfortable giving a player up.  No matter how incompetent you and I and everyone else believe the Panthers' FO to be, you would be crazy to believe that the 2nd + 4th price point was our initial willy-nilly offer to the Jets without any kind of back-and-forth negotiations.  That was certainly an overpay and one of the worst trades in team history, but I guarantee you our initial offer was a hell of a lot less than that.  That's just common sense 101 negotiating.  Just like how ruthless businessman Tepper who was trying to chew Rock Hill for every penny he could get, probably didn't just go up to Rhule and say "here's my very first offer: 7 years $62 million!".

I don't know if they would have and neither do you. That's ultimately the problem with your example to try and prop up your McAdoo argument. It's a flawed premise because it doesn't have factual support.

Well apparently we did offer that massive deal straight up. Not sure if you remember but Rhule took that deal to the Giants and they immediately balked at trying to outpay us.

So, again, not a great example.

It's also getting a bit off into the weeds to talk Darnold or Rhule when my original point still pretty much stands. It's a big red flag to not be able to get at least a coordinator job in the NFL since 2017. That's a pretty clear indicator of what the league thinks of him. 

Could he turn that around? Sure. A season or two of really good offenses here and certainly. 

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56 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

First about Shula - remember that "control variable" thing I mentioned?  If we had a different OC in 2014 and largely the same roster (most notably, the QB) and the notable difference was that we hired Shula and then all of a sudden we turned from a mediocre/bad offense to the #1 offense in his first year, then hell yeah I'd give Shula mad props.  I can also speak much more confidently and with nuance about the Panthers than I can about the 2013-2018 or w/e Giants, so this is a poor analogy to ask me to compare our own OC to one of a different team.  I don't presume to have followed the Giants that closely to be able to be able to attribute X% of the Giants' offensive success to McAdoo vs. other variables.  You sure as hell are clueless about the Giants too, considering you baselessly overestimated Coughlin's role in their 2014-2015 offense before I had to refute it with 2 seconds of Google searches.  All I can do is evaluate the Giants' roster/coaching staff pre-McAdoo and post-McAdoo and consider the significant role of an offensive coordinator to a team's offensive output and make an educated guess about how much of a factor McAdoo was specifically to their offensive turnaround.  Manning was a constant, then you're looking at a receiving corps of Hakeem Nicks/Victor Cruz (one of the best 1-2 WR tandems) in 2013 vs. rookie OBJ/Reuben Randle in 2014.  I'd call that a wash.  So from a purely analytical sense from someone who hasn't watched every Giants game for the past 10 years, the evidence looks promising in favor of McAdoo.  That's literally all I've been saying all along...that McAdoo has a small sample size as an NFL OC and it's relatively encouraging.  That's the ridiculously controversial statement that you find to be offensive.  I'm not even predicting McAdoo to be a good OC for us.

As to the bold - yeah I already did that and you're flat out wrong.  In many cases it was opposing teams who were down the whole game only to come back because the Giants went conservative on D (sound familiar?).  It must be nice to say whatever you want and force the opposition to do all the research to refute it.  I've done enough of that so I'll just say you're wrong about this whole "garbage time" narrative...if you want to prove *me* wrong then feel free to actually do some research and come to me with stats.  Here's a simple one - the Giants in 2013 had a 60/40 pass/run ratio.  The Giants in 2014 had a 57/43 pass/run ratio.  So that makes the whole "SUPER BOWL CHAMP Eli Manning airing it out all game" narrative seem a bit questionable.  Were only the 2014 and 2015 Giants in garbage time "airing it out" situations but not the 2013 (7-9) Giants?  Why the huge discrepancy in offensive performance?  I'm also not talking about "all four years" because YOU explicitly started your statement off referencing McAdoo's "pure OC years".

Well as I said earlier, my brother in law is the massive Giants fan.  I get a lot of my insight from the fact he consumes it all.   And you basically admit to just googling numbers and not actually watching them to form your narrative.  Numbers lie all the time in sports. 

So I’m siding with the Giants fan’s perspective on this one.   

And he had a field day laughing at me when our rockstar OC move was Ben McAdoo.   

I mean no one was talking about a great OC sitting out there year after year somehow being overlooked again and again.  He interviewed with all sorts of bad teams that needed a competent OC year after year….yet no one wanted him.  The NFL also backs my Giant fan brother in laws views on McAdoo.   

now suddenly hanging by a thread Rhule pulls him out of the pile….he is hidden stud OC that demands praise and excitement.   

so if he shouldn’t be viewed as a low end OC (bottom 3rd) based on your research.  Where should a sensible person rank our OC.  That’s you.  Not me.  Tell me that, I told you where I got them ranked.  I think Rhule, McAdoo, Snow all rank in the bottom 3rd.   And I treat them as such.  You are against it.  So instead of being against my thoughts just tell me where I should view McAdoo.  Top half? Middle? Top 10.   I mean better than Joe Brady is already a position I own. 


 

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16 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't know if they would have and neither do you. That's ultimately the problem with your example to try and prop up your McAdoo argument. It's a flawed premise because it doesn't have factual support.

Well apparently we did offer that massive deal straight up. Not sure if you remember but Rhule took that deal to the Giants and they immediately balked at trying to outpay us.

So, again, not a great example.

It's also getting a bit off into the weeds to talk Darnold or Rhule when my original point still pretty much stands. It's a big red flag to not be able to get at least a coordinator job in the NFL since 2017. That's a pretty clear indicator of what the league thinks of him. 

Could he turn that around? Sure. A season or two of really good offenses here and certainly. 

My whole point is that whatever league opinion is about a player is immaterial to their actual abilities.  It's often a reflection of their actual abilities, but it's ultimately immaterial.  A player or coach isn't better or worse at their job based upon their perception or perceived value.  Their ability directly affects their perception, but your argument seems to be that it's the other way around.  Malik Willis isn't going to be a worse NFL player because he was drafted in the 2nd round instead of the 1st round. And that's the flaw in your premise.  Perception is part of the overall evaluation because it makes you go back and evaluate a player or coach like "hmm what am I missing here?" which is why I said I do factor it in.  I just think you and CRA making it the crux of your argument about McAdoo seems pretty overblown.  My primary evaluation is: how did McAdoo perform when he was OC of the Giants?  A secondary evaluation of mine is: how was McAdoo perceived in league circles?  You and CRA's primary evaluation is how NFL front offices view him.  I think my approach is more comprehensive and I am honestly not sure why that's a contentious take.

And you've lost me on your Rhule/Giants point.  How do the Giants not matching our offer preclude any negotiations from having happened?  My entire post was emphasizing the fact that negotiations take place between the "buyer" (i.e. the Panthers) and the "seller" (i.e. Rhule in this case).  Are you suggesting negotiations only happen if there's a bidding war?  If I go and interview for a job, there are going to be negotiations between me and the hiring company.  I'm going to evaluate my current situation and decide whether the company's offer is enticing enough for me to leave my current job and accept.  Negotiations aren't contingent upon me taking their offer to other companies to match it.

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17 hours ago, CRA said:

Well as I said earlier, my brother in law is the massive Giants fan.  I get a lot of my insight from the fact he consumes it all.   And you basically admit to just googling numbers and not actually watching them to form your narrative.  Numbers lie all the time in sports. 

So I’m siding with the Giants fan’s perspective on this one.   

And he had a field day laughing at me when our rockstar OC move was Ben McAdoo.   

I mean no one was talking about a great OC sitting out there year after year somehow being overlooked again and again.  He interviewed with all sorts of bad teams that needed a competent OC year after year….yet no one wanted him.  The NFL also backs my Giant fan brother in laws views on McAdoo.   

now suddenly hanging by a thread Rhule pulls him out of the pile….he is hidden stud OC that demands praise and excitement.   

so if he shouldn’t be viewed as a low end OC (bottom 3rd) based on your research.  Where should a sensible person rank our OC.  That’s you.  Not me.  Tell me that, I told you where I got them ranked.  I think Rhule, McAdoo, Snow all rank in the bottom 3rd.   And I treat them as such.  You are against it.  So instead of being against my thoughts just tell me where I should view McAdoo.  Top half? Middle? Top 10.   I mean better than Joe Brady is already a position I own. 


 

I'm not interested in "ranking" our OC...that's silly.  We don't know.  I'm evaluating his body of work and I'm saying it's limited but it's overall encouraging.  That's it.  Pretty uncontroversial IMO to a levelheaded person.  You're the one taking a hard-line stance on McAdoo and I was trying to understand your reasoning for that.  Cause last time we had a discussion where I questioned your reasoning (revolving around Joe Brady), you basically walked back everything you said about him originally.  You went from him being an impressive OC who produced career numbers for our offense, to now holding the opinion that he is even worse than McAdoo who you are already calling a bottom 1/3 OC.  It feels like you generally start with your conclusion already formulated and then try to develop your arguments/premises as you go, rather than the other way around.

Speaking of your reasoning...shame on me for formulating my opinion based on statistics while you adopt your opinion from a single Giants' fan lol.  Imagine taking one random Huddler's opinion and building your entire argument around that.  I mean there are legit some Panthers fans out there who say Cam was a meh QB for us.  "Numbers lie" and yet you've admitted to basically regurgitating what your brother-in-law has told you?  I think we can leave things there...I just wish I had known I was arguing against your brother-in-law by proxy this whole time cause that explains a lot.

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If Kyle Shanahan got fired today and wanted to come be our QB coach…..should Matt Rhule hire him? 

I mean it’s hard argue Matt Rhule even liked McAdoo that much.   McAdoo interviewed for the QB coach gig in 2020 and 2021 and Rhule said no thanks.   Seems like that would be a steal for a QB coach if McAdoo was a really viewed as good OC and QB guru. 

Rhule didn’t have a lot of realistic options for OC.   McAdoo was grabbed out of the pile.  Probably the best option of what was realistic.  It wasn’t an attractive gig. And this season looks like a forced and unhappy marriage.  We are the kids they are trying to put a nice face on for.  But kids are generally perceptive enough to see Dave isn’t happy.  Rhule isn’t happy. And this staff seems forced on a bumbling coach….and the new staff was designed to be equipped for Rhule to depart. 

seems like a pointless and wasted year we are about to go through.  Change should of been made.  That’s my perception.  

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24 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

My whole point is that whatever league opinion is about a player is immaterial to their actual abilities.  It's often a reflection of their actual abilities, but it's ultimately immaterial.  A player or coach isn't better or worse at their job based upon their perception or perceived value.  Their ability directly affects their perception, but your argument seems to be that it's the other way around.  Malik Willis isn't going to be a worse NFL player because he was drafted in the 2nd round instead of the 1st round. And that's the flaw in your premise.  Perception is part of the overall evaluation because it makes you go back and evaluate a player or coach like "hmm what am I missing here?" which is why I said I do factor it in.  I just think you and CRA making it the crux of your argument about McAdoo seems pretty overblown.  My primary evaluation is: how did McAdoo perform when he was OC of the Giants?  A secondary evaluation of mine is: how was McAdoo perceived in league circles?  You and CRA's primary evaluation is how NFL front offices view him.  I think my approach is more comprehensive and I am honestly not sure why that's a contentious take.

And you've lost me on your Rhule/Giants point.  How do the Giants not matching our offer preclude any negotiations from having happened?  My entire post was emphasizing the fact that negotiations take place between the "buyer" (i.e. the Panthers) and the "seller" (i.e. Rhule in this case).  Are you suggesting negotiations only happen if there's a bidding war?  If I go and interview for a job, there are going to be negotiations between me and the hiring company.  I'm going to evaluate my current situation and decide whether the company's offer is enticing enough for me to leave my current job and accept.  Negotiations aren't contingent upon me taking their offer to other companies to match it.

It's literally a free market system in the NFL. "Value" is very often dictated by abilities, hype, positional value, etc. So, when the market is largely saying they don't want McAdoo, they are saying he doesn't have value. If he in fact were a guy that was perceived as being an offensive genius or even above average OC, he would have been employed by now. You want a good example? Norv Turner. Failed at every head coaching stuff but was almost always an extremely successful OC and never struggled to get a job in that capacity. 

The Rhule/Giants example is just getting off track even further. You tried to use it in the post I was replying to and I just simply responded that regardless of "negotiation" we threw an offer at him VERY quickly after the first interview. I rather doubt how much negotiation based on both the timeline of the meeting to hiring, and also that the other interested party dropped out of the race. I don't really even care about debating this point. It has no bearing on the McAdoo situation at all other than Rhule was a very dumb hire in hindsight and the same dysfunctional organization that hired him also hired McAdoo.

TLDR, he wasn't an attractive candidate to anyone in the NFL other than us and largely because not many coaches with better prospects would choose to come here.

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Step 5: Adjust the Font Size Utilize the available options to adjust the font size according to your preferences, allowing for personalized modifications that enhance the readability and visual appeal of the text within Quickbooks Desktop. With Quickbooks Desktop, users can easily navigate to the ‘Edit’ menu and select ‘Preferences.’ From there, choose ‘Reports & Graphs’ and click on the ‘Company Preferences’ tab. In this section, locate the ‘Format’ option, where you can adjust the font size to suit your needs. Increasing the font size can make the text clearer and easier to read, while decreasing it allows for more content to fit on the screen. Experimenting with different sizes provides insight into how the appearance and legibility of the text can be optimized to create a more customized user experience. Step 6: Save Your Changes Upon completing the font size adjustments, remember to save your changes to ensure that the customized settings for text appearance are applied and retained within Quickbooks Desktop. This crucial step is essential for preserving your customized font size and appearance preferences. By saving these changes, you ensure that your preferred settings are accessible for future use, avoiding the need to re-adjust the font size every time you access Quickbooks Desktop. This simple action of preserving your settings can significantly enhance the user experience, allowing for a seamless and personalized interface tailored to your preferences.
    • Keeping your payment methods up-to-date in QuickBooks Desktop is essential for seamless financial management.  This guide will walk you through the process of changing your credit card account number, editing other credit card details, and even disabling a credit card you no longer use. There are two main scenarios to consider when updating your credit card information: Changing the account number for the same credit card: If your credit card number has expired or changed due to a lost or stolen card, you can update the information within QuickBooks Desktop without affecting the overall account. Adding a new credit card or editing existing credit card details: You can add a new credit card as a payment option or edit existing details like the expiration date or nickname for a card you're already using. Here's a breakdown of the steps involved: Changing the Credit Card Account Number for the Same Card: Access the Chart of Accounts: Go to the Lists menu and select Chart of Accounts. Locate the Credit Card Account: Find the credit card account you want to update. This account will typically have a name that reflects your credit card type (e.g., "Visa - Business"). Right-Click and Edit: Right-click on the credit card account and select Edit Account. Edit Account Details: In the Edit Account window, locate the Account Information section. This is where you'll find the credit card number field. Update the Number: Carefully enter the new credit card account number, ensuring all digits are accurate. Save Changes: Once you've updated the number, click Save & Close to confirm the changes. Important Note:  QuickBooks Desktop won't automatically update the credit card information for past transactions.  If you need to update historical transactions with the new credit card number, you'll need to edit them manually. Adding a New Credit Card or Editing Existing Details: Access the Payment Method List: Go to the Lists menu and select Customer & Vendor Profile Lists, then choose Payment Method List. Add a New Credit Card: Click the New button to add a new credit card as a payment option. Edit an Existing Card: Right-click on an existing credit card in the list and select Edit Payment Method to update its details. Fill in the Information: In the Edit Payment Method window, provide the necessary details like the credit card type, number, expiration date, and nickname (optional) for the card. Save and Close: Click Save & Close to confirm the addition of a new card or the changes made to an existing card. Disabling a Credit Card: Access the Payment Method List: Follow step 1 from the "Adding a New Credit Card or Editing Existing Details" section above. Right-Click and Edit: Right-click on the credit card you want to disable and select Edit Payment Method. Deactivate the Card: In the Edit Payment Method window, locate the Make inactive checkbox. Check this box to disable the credit card as a payment option. Save Changes: Click Save & Close to confirm deactivating the credit card. Remember: Disabling a credit card only prevents it from being used for future transactions.  It won't delete any past transactions associated with that card. 8-10 Related FAQs on Adding, Editing, or Disabling Credit Cards in QuickBooks Desktop 1. What if I accidentally enter the wrong credit card number? If you mistakenly enter the wrong credit card number, you can follow the steps above to update it with the correct information.  However,  be aware that any transactions processed with the incorrect number may need to be manually adjusted or refunded depending on your bank's policies. 2. Can I update my credit card information through the bank feed? QuickBooks Desktop doesn't directly update credit card information through the bank feed. You'll need to manually update the account details within the software as described above. 3. Where can I find the expiration date for my credit card in QuickBooks Desktop? The expiration date for your credit card should be displayed in the Edit Payment Method window when you access the specific credit card details within the Payment Method List. 4. Is it safe to store my credit card information in QuickBooks Desktop? QuickBooks Desktop uses industry-standard security measures to protect your financial data.  However, it's always a good practice to be cautious with sensitive information. 5. Can I update my credit card information if my QuickBooks Desktop subscription is expired? Updating credit card information is usually linked to an active subscription.  With an expired subscription, you might not be able to edit functionalities within QuickBooks Desktop. Upgrading your subscription might be necessary before updating your credit card details.  For clarification on your specific situation, contacting live QuickBooks Desktop support 1-833-575-6111  is recommended. You can reach them at 1-833-656-9623. 6. What happens if I update the credit card number used for my QuickBooks Desktop subscription? Updating the credit card number associated with your subscription ensures uninterrupted service.  QuickBooks Desktop will automatically use the new card for future subscription renewals.  However, it won't update past transactions. 7. Why Consider Live Support When Updating Credit Card Information? Even though updating credit card information is usually simple, there can be situations where contacting 1-833-575♞6111 live QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) can be helpful: Need for Additional Guidance: If you're new to navigating QuickBooks Desktop menus or the steps differ in your version, a live representative can walk you through the process. Troubleshooting Errors: Error messages during the update can be frustrating. Live support can diagnose the issue and suggest solutions. Security Concerns: Updating financial information can raise security concerns. Live support can advise on best practices for protecting your credit card information within QuickBooks Desktop. Complex Situations: If you have multiple credit cards saved or need to update information for a specific payment method linked to a vendor or customer, live support can provide tailored guidance. Overall, contacting live support empowers you to: Save Time: A representative can answer your questions directly and help you navigate the update process efficiently. Increase Accuracy: Live support can minimize the risk of errors by ensuring you follow the correct steps for your specific situation. Gain Peace of Mind: Having a qualified professional address your concerns can alleviate any anxieties you might have regarding the update. While the decision to contact live support is yours, it can be a valuable resource for a smooth and secure update of your credit card information in QuickBooks Desktop. 8. I'm getting a message that my credit card information is invalid.  What should I do? There can be a few reasons for this message. Here are some initial checks: Double-check the information: Ensure you've entered the credit card number accurately, including all digits and no spaces. Verify card activation: If the card is new, it might not be active yet. Try updating the information once the card is activated by your bank. If these steps don't resolve the issue, contacting QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) can help diagnose the specific error and guide you through troubleshooting steps. 8. I have multiple businesses and use different credit cards for each. How do I manage them in QuickBooks Desktop? QuickBooks Desktop allows you to create separate company files for each business. You can then manage unique payment methods, including credit cards, for each company file. If you're unsure about managing multiple credit cards or company files, contacting 1-833-575♞6111 qUICKbOOKS dESKTOP support (1-833-656-9623) can provide tailored guidance. 9. I want to update my credit card information but can't access the Lists menu.  Is there another way to find the Payment Method List? The specific navigation might vary slightly depending on your QuickBooks Desktop version. Here are some alternative ways to find the Payment Method List: Search Function: Some versions offer a search bar at the top. Try searching for "Payment Methods" or "Credit Cards." Help Menu: The Help menu might have a search function or resources on managing payment methods. If you're still struggling to locate it, contacting QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) // 1-833-575♞6111can walk you through the specific steps for your version. 10.  I use a debit card linked to my checking account for some transactions.  Can I update that information in the same way as credit cards? Yes, the process for updating debit card information is similar to updating credit card details in QuickBooks Desktop. You can follow the steps outlined in this guide to access the Payment Method List and edit the necessary information for your debit card. 11.  I'm concerned that my credit card information might be vulnerable in QuickBooks Desktop.  What security measures are in place? QuickBooks Desktop uses industry-standard security measures to protect your financial data, including encryption and secure login protocols.  However, it's always a good practice to be cautious with sensitive information.  If you have any security concerns, contacting 1-833-575♞6111 QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) can provide more details about their security practices and offer additional tips for protecting your data. 12.  What happens if I update the wrong credit card information? If you mistakenly update the information for the wrong credit card, it can lead to declined transactions or potential issues with the correct cardholder.  Here's what to do: Review Transactions: Carefully review your recent transactions to identify any processed using the incorrect information. Contact Merchant: If a transaction went through using the wrong card, you might need to contact the merchant to explain the situation and potentially request a refund. Correct Information: Immediately update QuickBooks Desktop with the accurate credit card details. For further assistance with managing these situations, try to contact QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) and 1-833-575♞6111 talk to a live person who can help. 13.  I'm thinking about upgrading my QuickBooks Desktop version.  Will I need to update my credit card information again? Upgrading to a newer version of QuickBooks Desktop shouldn't affect your existing credit card information stored within the software.  However, it's always a good practice to double-check your payment methods after any software update to ensure everything is accurate.  If you have any concerns during the upgrade process, contacting 1-833-575♞6111 QuickBooks Desktop support (1-833-656-9623) can provide peace of mind.
    • Running a small business can cause you to shoulder a lot of burdens, especially in the financial realm. Keeping track of revenues and expenditures to maintain a proper cash flow must be cautiously organized so that you are not off track on your funds or financial records when you are filing taxes. However, in today’s world, you can hire a freelance accountant or a bookkeeper to help you focus on developing other aspects of your business. However, you as a business owner might encounter chances of being apart from managing your finances. Therefore, getting some financial knowledge of what is happening in your business’s financial realm might be useful to you so that you can track your business progress and make it run efficiently without third-party interference. In this blog, you can learn all the ins and outs of managing small business accounting from experts to take advantage of your financial data! Small Business Accounting: Knowing the Workflow Maintaining small business accounting involves tracking your business account to see how you save and spend your business funds and summarizing them into financial statements that can be reviewed and used to improve the business. These are some of the activities you might do if you are managing your accounts: Creating invoices Monitoring cash flow to pay all upcoming expenses Everyday bookkeeping Scrutinizing the payables and receivables so you can track whether customers are promptly paying you. Filing tax returns Preparing financial records and statements All these activities have to be performed on three reports to provide a detailed overview of your company’s performance to date. They are: Balance Sheet- Liabilities and assets you own in total Cash Flow Statement- Cash outflows and income record Income Statement- Profit and Loss report Similar to the work done by outsourced bookkeeping services, you, as a sole member, should regularly update the report with relevant reporting tools to boost your company’s growth! Small Business Accounting: How to Grow Here are a few ways you can gain a better advantage in the market following these bookkeeping guidelines and build your company: Accurately Building Financial Projections Financial projections are the key to helping you choose the best kind of loan or investment. They also help forecast various aspects for different areas of your company, like inventory levels, cash flow, demand shifts, sales capacity, or customer behavior, to help you create long-term financial planning. Focus on Consistency Stability is of prime importance in bookkeeping, be it with you or the business process outsourcing services you hire. In this stage, you will set up accurate and consistent accounting processes. You also need to monitor diverse trends surrounding accounts receivables, three-way match different purchase orders and invoices, and receive reports before you input anything into accounts payable. Stay Organized Keeping track of income, transactions, and expenses is necessary to keep your finances organized. However, amidst your busy schedule, you might find it difficult to keep track of all these factors on software, spreadsheets, pencil, and paper. Thus, it’s important that you spend time keeping your finances organized, which does not lead to inconveniences down the lane. If you have the funds, you can also hire accounts payable outsourcing services to get advice to improve your financial management skills and get help with tax preparation so that you can choose a method or establish a system that meets your business needs. Automating the Software With the advent of digitization, accounting software can do wonders nowadays. This applies even to entry-level accounting platforms that can track your business expenditures, integrate your account, organize them with parameters, and collect the data for automatic invoicing. Additionally, this accounting software can generate follow-up reminders on invoices or flag the customers looking at their payment history so you can save time following them manually. Conclusion Maintaining your small business’s accounts is an arduous and challenging task that requires time, patience, and experience. It can also become strenuous without the right tools. But thanks to technology today, such as accounting software, which can automate the importation of vital data from your credit card statements and bank accounts directly into the accounting software. Moreover, with numerous online apps, you can enjoy a modernized accounts receivable process and balanced books. Outsourcing accounts payable is a suitable option, too. Ultimately, no matter what methodology you choose, ensure that your bookkeeping strategy is consistent, accurate, structured, and efficient to track your finances with excellent clarity and have bright business years ahead!  
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