The Kind of Coach I Want...

[MaineManPanther]

No saftey is important/great enough to be the the big reason for a 5 game losing streak. Especailly agianst some of the worst teams in the nfl.

Im mean they've lost to the Chiefs,Raiders, and Browns.

[Kevin Greene]

We were 0-3 before we lost any players. Fox shouldn't be let off the hook for that.

Ouch.

[Proudiddy]

I probably can't speak for everyone but I don't think anyone is trying to say Fox should be let off the hook for our 0-3 start. I just think that it is stupid to sit there and say "Mike Tomlin is a great coach who would be good for this team.", when he has dropped 5 in a row. At the same time you are calling for Fox's head.

Also we had lost Harris and Kemo to start the season. Plus McCown, whom I think if he had not been on IR Fox would have pulled the trigger on Jake much sooner.

Just trying to keep it realistic.

I never said "he would be good for this team." I intimated that I would like a coach like him. It's amazing how Fox has consistently been inconsistent but has gotten a pass on that for 8 years. I'm a patient guy, but his pattern of great success, followed by dismal failure is unacceptable.

Get in a time machine and go back 14 Weeks, and take a poll on this site of whether Tomlin is a good coach or not, then come back and tell me. 90% of the people on this site are embers waiting for fuel... Such is the case with Tomlin. Start of the season, he was destined to be in the hall of fame, 5 bad weeks and now he's the worst coach this side of Cam Cameron.

Gimme a break... Additionally, that same 90% of this site wouldn't know football if they watched it... Wait a minute... HA! They do...

Exactly.

It's easy to pile on considering the circumstances, but seriously, my point is valid... Fox's non-chalant, hum-ho, it is what it is demeanor has grown old. I said I wanted a guy that wore his emotions on his sleeve (not completely, but for the most part), and I wanted a guy that is a leader of men, like many have said Tomlin is. So, I said, I wanted that KIND of coach.

Not Tomlin himself, but that kind of coach. Watch a Steelers game and tell me those losses are completely Tomlin's fault and a direct result of his decision making and lack of leadership... Now watch John Fox chewing his gum and clapping it up as he slaps Jake's ass running of the field after his 3rd INT in the first half, and tell me what you think.

[panthers55]

I never said "he would be good for this team." I intimated that I would like a coach like him. It's amazing how Fox has consistently been inconsistent but has gotten a pass on that for 8 years. I'm a patient guy, but his pattern of great success, followed by dismal failure is unacceptable.

Get in a time machine and go back 14 Weeks, and take a poll on this site of whether Tomlin is a good coach or not, then come back and tell me. 90% of the people on this site are embers waiting for fuel... Such is the case with Tomlin. Start of the season, he was destined to be in the hall of fame, 5 bad weeks and now he's the worst coach this side of Cam Cameron.

Gimme a break... Additionally, that same 90% of this site wouldn't know football if they watched it... Wait a minute... HA! They do...

Exactly.

It's easy to pile on considering the circumstances, but seriously, my point is valid... Fox's non-chalant, hum-ho, it is what it is demeanor has grown old. I said I wanted a guy that wore his emotions on his sleeve (not completely, but for the most part), and I wanted a guy that is a leader of men, like many have said Tomlin is. So, I said, I wanted that KIND of coach.

Not Tomlin himself, but that kind of coach. Watch a Steelers game and tell me those losses are completely Tomlin's fault and a direct result of his decision making and lack of leadership... Now watch John Fox chewing his gum and clapping it up as he slaps Jake's ass running of the field after his 3rd INT in the first half, and tell me what you think.

Fiery and outspoken doesn't always equal success. Look at Denny Green or Mike Singletary or even Jack del Rio. All fiery but not that successful. Now compare that to a Tony Dungy who was quiet and calm. Or a legend like Tom Landry who was like a statue on the field.

Bottom line is that different coaches have different styles, many of which work. In the end it is all about wins and losses not personality style. If Fox had winning seasons every year I wouldn't care how he did it and I doubt you would either.

[Proudiddy]

Fiery and outspoken doesn't always equal success. Look at Denny Green or Mike Singletary or even Jack del Rio. All fiery but not that successful. Now compare that to a Tony Dungy who was quiet and calm. Or a legend like Tom Landry who was like a statue on the field.

Bottom line is that different coaches have different styles, many of which work. In the end it is all about wins and losses not personality style. If Fox had winning seasons every year I wouldn't care how he did it and I doubt you would either.

You're right... I couldn't agree more. I just want a "change in culture" like we hear all the time... Like we heard about when Fox first came in... But, like I said, his act grew old and he hasn't evolved or changed.

The key to all the coaches you mentioned that were less than fiery but still great coaches were they were LEADERS. They were respected. They didn't have to say much because they demanded respect, even in silence. Tomlin is a more vocal guy, but his demeanor demands respect as well. I'm not saying he's the greatest coach of all time, just that I admire him, just as I do Tony Dungy - yet they are two different types of coach.

I just want to know the new guy that comes in here CARES. Fox used to, but I can't say that it's anything but a job to him now.

[Mr. Scot]

Also, you don't evaluate head coaches based on the yelling at players/statements to media. The supposed best coach in the league, Bill Bellichick, mumbles and says almost nothing to media. They f'ing called him Mumbles when he succeeded Pete Carroll. The idea is the product on the field, not whether he's appropriately whacky after something goes wrong. I expect the things a fan expect after something happens and what's best for a team after something happens are two different things.

Pretty much my thoughts.

Whether or not they talk tough or give interesting press conferences doesn't mean much to me. If they produce a winning product on the field, come press time they can dress in drag and do the hula and I won't care.

[Squirrel]

No saftey is important/great enough to be the the big reason for a 5 game losing streak. Especailly agianst some of the worst teams in the nfl.

Im mean they've lost to the Chiefs,Raiders, and Browns.

I call BS on that. TP has a history of injuries should have a confident backup in that spot.

[Squirrel]

Fiery and outspoken doesn't always equal success. Look at Denny Green or Mike Singletary or even Jack del Rio. All fiery but not that successful. Now compare that to a Tony Dungy who was quiet and calm. Or a legend like Tom Landry who was like a statue on the field.

Bottom line is that different coaches have different styles, many of which work. In the end it is all about wins and losses not personality style. If Fox had winning seasons every year I wouldn't care how he did it and I doubt you would either.

But a Superbowl ring does! Fox has had 7 1/2 years here. He might leave after this seaosn and finally win one but he is not getting it done here he needs a change of scenery and we need some new blood.

[Kevin Greene]

But a Superbowl ring does! Fox has had 7 1/2 years here. He might leave after this seaosn and finally win one but he is not getting it done here he needs a change of scenery and we need some new blood.

Probably something a good coach like Jeff Fisher should have done 5 years ago.

[House]

It's easy to pile on considering the circumstances, but seriously, my point is valid... Fox's non-chalant, hum-ho, it is what it is demeanor has grown old. I said I wanted a guy that wore his emotions on his sleeve (not completely, but for the most part), and I wanted a guy that is a leader of men, like many have said Tomlin is. So, I said, I wanted that KIND of coach.

Not Tomlin himself, but that kind of coach. Watch a Steelers game and tell me those losses are completely Tomlin's fault and a direct result of his decision making and lack of leadership... Now watch John Fox chewing his gum and clapping it up as he slaps Jake's ass running of the field after his 3rd INT in the first half, and tell me what you think.

I am really not trying to pick on you but:

1. I am tired of people having stupid ass reasons for wanting Fox gone and talking up a less than perfect HC who does the same poo Fox does only does it differently.

2. You are making some dumb statements. No offense, I am sure you are a highly intelligent individual in real life.

First you talk about how you want a fiery coach that screams and yells on the sideline and wears his heart on his sleave. The exact opposite of Fox. In the present day NFL that type of coaching doesn't really always fly so well. The players today are multi-multi-millionares. If you are screaming at them they are very liable to just shut down on you. It only takes one super-star to get fed up with the coaches antics and everyone will quite. This I believe is what has happened to Tomlin. He took the badass persona too far.

Then you get upset that everyone points out that Tomlin has dropped 5 in a row and you claim it is because he doesn't have Polamoulu. Well Fox has had as many injuries or more than a lot of teams this year.

Then you go after Fox for keeping Jake claiming this is directly the cause of us losing so much. Tomlin new his OL sucked but did nothing to upgrade whatsoever, this is probably worse than Fox keeping Jake. Roethlesberger was one of the most sacked QBs last year, at least Jake was decent last year and there was some hope he wouldn't fall apart.

Now you are saying you never wanted Tomlin just a coach who is overly emotionally and screams a lot. You also want a leader of men like Tomlin. Yet Tomlin is not looking like much of a leader right now. He is starting to look like an asshole who thinks his team should do what he says because he said it.

You also say to watch those games, that none of those losses are Tomlins fault. Is it not his team? Is he not the HC? Does he not put together the gameplan and run all of the practices? His team looked like poo against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Browns. That is definetly on the HC for not getting his team prepped properly.

I am not happy with Fox as a HC right now at all but I think it is stupid for people to go around shouting about stupid poo. Making up dumbass arguements about how bad Fox is without ever thinking about what they are saying. If you are going to do this just do what I AM GOD does and say "Fox sucks" all the time.

You can try and color this grass green all you want but it looks poo brown to me.

[panthers55]

But a Superbowl ring does! Fox has had 7 1/2 years here. He might leave after this seaosn and finally win one but he is not getting it done here he needs a change of scenery and we need some new blood.

I am not sure that the ring is the only standard given that Fox came within a field goal of getting one in year 2. But it does appear that he has lost some of the hunger and urgency he had when he got here. Perhaps his success overy other year or so has mellowed him too much. I am not lobbying for his ouster but wouldn't be unhappy if he gets replaced as long as they are an upgrade. Problem is that is can only judged after the fact not before so you can't insure it will be.

[2jakefansinva]

JMO.....how can anyone grade how good of a coach Mike Tomlin is yet? It just seems to me that everyone is considered a good/great coach when things are going well. Whether or not he is good/great will be determined in how he digs them out of this hole.

[Squirrel]

I am not sure that the ring is the only standard given that Fox came within a field goal of getting one in year 2. But it does appear that he has lost some of the hunger and urgency he had when he got here. Perhaps his success overy other year or so has mellowed him too much. I am not lobbying for his ouster but wouldn't be unhappy if he gets replaced as long as they are an upgrade. Problem is that is can only judged after the fact not before so you can't insure it will be.

I agree.

[MaineManPanther]

I call BS on that. TP has a history of injuries should have a confident backup in that spot.

How is that BS? One saftey postion was not the main reason they lost many of those games. The Browns game was a perfect example, Clevand only scored 13 points, offence couldnt do anything.