The reason I think our secondary gets beaten by short routes..

[ChucktownK]

The success of teams with the short pass (which has been present for several years) drives me nuts. :mad2:

This year we've won more than we've lost, but that's not been true the majority of the time.

Garcia for instance...ahem!

[thefuzz]

We don't have safeties to a) blitz often, jam at the line, or c) play a lock down man style D.

Sorry, its not the corners, it's the safeties.

[Godman459]

We don't have safeties to a) blitz often, jam at the line, or c) play a lock down man style D.

Sorry, its not the corners, it's the safeties.

I never thought about it that way. Good point. While Godfry is playing absolutly terrific for a strating rookie, he still has a bit to learn. Harris can be good, but he is more of a hard hitter. I don't know why they don't use Harris on more blitzes. Imagine him knocking the hell outta Warner this weekend. That would be nice.

[pantherj]

Harris looks kinda slow to me, but that was his down side coming from da bears.

[ChucktownK]

Harris looks kinda slow to me, but that was his down side coming from da bears.

Makes up for it with his intelligence and decision making. A better quality IMO.

[thefuzz]

I never thought about it that way. Good point. While Godfry is playing absolutly terrific for a strating rookie, he still has a bit to learn. Harris can be good, but he is more of a hard hitter. I don't know why they don't use Harris on more blitzes. Imagine him knocking the hell outta Warner this weekend. That would be nice.

Thats why we can't afford to play physical on the WR's.

Neither of our S's can cover well. Usually you have a FS and a SS, and while both need to be able to cover, the FS is normally the smaller better cover S.

We need to be able to have Marshall out there most of the game, and hope that he matches up well with Breaston.

[Godman459]

Thats why we can't afford to play physical on the WR's.

Neither of our S's can cover well. Usually you have a FS and a SS, and while both need to be able to cover, the FS is normally the smaller better cover S.

We need to be able to have Marshall out there most of the game, and hope that he matches up well with Breaston.

Yes, I hope Marshall matches up well to. while he can really make heads up plays that can possibly lead to points, he can get burned badly in coverage. Hopefully Godfry can support the CB's in their coverage on Sat.

[thefuzz]

Possible....

But the best way to have a fantastic secondary is to have a good pass rush.

It's pretty simple.

[Godman459]

Well hopefully Pep can get his game on and get to Warner before he can throw the ball. Warner has a tremendous release. This game will be give and take between the secondary and pass rush. If the secondary can lock up their man for at least one second and a half, it will force Warner to hang on to the ball and give Pep and the rest of the line time to get to Warner.

Like I said, it will all be a game of give and take.

[goodoleboy]

Sometimes I say, "what's the difference between giving up 1 25-yard pass and giving up 5 5-yard passes? They end up the same anyways, it only results in more plays for the defense, which in turn, tires them out."

I will take the 5 5- yard passes every time. Gives the D more opportunities to make a play. Got to stop the big play first.

[frash.exe]

I will take the 5 5- yard passes every time. Gives the D more opportunities to make a play. Got to stop the big play first.

This is not an "act" defense. This is more a "react" defense, they keep the play in front of them and minimize yardage gains, so they're not going to get many passes thrown where they have a chance to pick it off. Your "act" defenses, like Baltimore swarm the ball and force turnovers, they take some chances.

[raleigh-panther]

We don't have safeties to a) blitz often, jam at the line, or c) play a lock down man style D.

Sorry, its not the corners, it's the safeties.

Let's see.

We gave up Jenkins and used that draft pick on Godfrey.

We gave up low draft pick for Harris, and I believe signed him to a contract.

If its the safeties alone, and their talent level, and not the scheme, then that's cause for concern to me.

[thefuzz]

We gave up a cancer and got a rookie player for much less money.

Harris we gave up a 5th I think, and has played well in a more traditional SS role.

We do not have great safeties, we have good safeties, which makes our great corners, a little closer to the good mark. Couple that with inconsistant pass rush, and voila, you have what most call bad corners.

You show me an attacking D, and I will show you a really good Safety.

[mgj6303]

thing is as soon as they go into man coverage and get beat a couple of times people will be screaming for trgo to go back to zone. damned if you do, damned if you don't. as long as we keep winning stick with what has been working.