Panthers #7 in power rankings...

[CRA]

yea because our D line was SO dominate before. is your memory bad? they would send every guy and not touch the QB, but the coverage was so good in the secondary they had no where to throw. coverage sack was the result. even if our D-line sucks, it wouldn't be a big drop off.

Um, there was more talent on the DL in 08 and when they struggled......they made the secondary garbage most of 2008. The offense had to turn into literally one of the highest scoring in the league to get those wins. Last year, as much as people want to hate on Peppers, Peppers simply took over at times and made the DL work overall.

There is no Peppers capable player to make medicore talent on the DL surviable like he did last season. And as you said, Fox's teams have never blizted well in recent history, so bringing bodies to make up for it is always dangerous b/c they rarely get the job done.

If our DL is is bad as it has the potential to be.....it will be a big drop off.

[Dpantherman]

Um, Our rushing defense improved dramatically after we signed Hollis Thomas and Damione Lewis has always been a solid pass rusher. Tell me what exactly Ed Johnson and Tank Tyler has done to make you think they're an upgrade? Just because Thomas and Lewis werent hall of famers doesnt mean you can just replace them anyone. Try again kid. :lol:

our rushing defense improve dramatically eh? it was still mediocre. the point is, who knew Hollis Thomas would could do anything, no one, thats exactly how it is now. no one knows.

Well according to you all the other defensive linemen were useless nobodies that can be replaced by anyone. Now you're saying they were the main reason for Peppers success? Make up your mind boy! Peppers is one of the top 2 DEs in the NFL. He cant be replaced by just anyone

go back and read what i said, because obviously you are going on what you think I meant instead of what I said. and Peppers is not one of the top 2 DEs in the league, try again. hes really good, but go back and look at some tape. Which top OTs did he dominate?

[Carolina Husker]

Peter King is a fat pumpkin-headed ninny.

[MadHatter]

Um, Our rushing defense improved dramatically after we signed Hollis Thomas and Damione Lewis has always been a solid pass rusher. Tell me what exactly Ed Johnson and Tank Tyler has done to make you think they're an upgrade? Just because Thomas and Lewis werent hall of famers doesnt mean you can just replace them anyone. Try again kid. :lol:

First of all, Ed Johnson will NOT start along side Tyler. Louis is the other starting DT.

Please at least have your facts straight before you try and talk like you have a fuging clue.

Another 12 yo who found the password to his parent's computer....

[MadHatter]

Um, there was more talent on the DL in 08 and when they struggled......they made the secondary garbage most of 2008. The offense had to turn into literally one of the highest scoring in the league to get those wins. Last year, as much as people want to hate on Peppers, Peppers simply took over at times and made the DL work overall.

There is no Peppers capable player to make medicore talent on the DL surviable like he did last season. And as you said, Fox's teams have never blizted well in recent history, so bringing bodies to make up for it is always dangerous b/c they rarely get the job done.

If our DL is is bad as it has the potential to be.....it will be a big drop off.

dude....no disrepsect, but you are way off base on Peppers.

He was a freak athlete. However, he was CONSISTENTLY blocked man-on-man last season. He was not double teamed. Please go back and watch a few games.....

[CRA]

dude....no disrepsect, but you are way off base on Peppers.

He was a freak athlete. However, he was CONSISTENTLY blocked man-on-man last season. He was not double teamed. Please go back and watch a few games.....

No disrespect but you are way off imo. Dallas he was horrible and when his hand was broken he was limited. In those games once his hand heeled he put in probably some of his best consecutive games in his career (regardless of what stats say). He was a beast. When the D has played at a high level, it normally was a day Peppers came to play. Seriously man, the hate has blinded people, 2009 Peppers easily put in some of the most impressive games out of his career.

Sure, he isn't always consistant (Dallas) or when injured and forced to play a few rushing downs only w/ one hand.....but last year he was great overall when healthy.

[Implied Volatility]

I like it better when the Panthers fly under the radar. So 8th is too high for my liking.

[panthers55]

yea because our D line was SO dominate before. is your memory bad? they would send every guy and not touch the QB, but the coverage was so good in the secondary they had no where to throw. coverage sack was the result. even if our D-line sucks, it wouldn't be a big drop off.

Easy to just throw stuff out there. Of the 31 sacks we had last year (23rd)- 25 of them were by defensive linemen. So yes the defensive line was the best part of our pass rush last year. And no we didn't blitz that often. And yes if we get fewer sacks this year it will put us at the bottom of the league much like 2007 when we were 31st.

Seems you are the one not paying much attention and with the bad memory.

[MadHatter]

No disrespect but you are way off imo. Dallas he was horrible and when his hand was broken he was limited. In those games once his hand heeled he put in probably some of his best consecutive games in his career (regardless of what stats say). He was a beast. When the D has played at a high level, it normally was a day Peppers came to play. Seriously man, the hate has blinded people, 2009 Peppers easily put in some of the most impressive games out of his career.

Sure, he isn't always consistant (Dallas) or when injured and forced to play a few rushing downs only w/ one hand.....but last year he was great overall when healthy.

I focused alot of attention watching Peppers during the games. He was NOT double teamed....and he did not dominate many games.

Don't get me wrong. Peppers was a great player.....and I would love to still have him on the team (not at $20 million per season). However, he was not the dominant and disruptive force that some of our fans wanted to believe.

I think we will be able to get pressure on the QB by committee. I do agree with you that DT is the biggest question mark on the defense. I like Tyler and Leonard, but they are young and unproven.

I think we will be fine on defense. But, with this young of a team...it is too difficult to guage before the season starts.

[Dpantherman]

Easy to just throw stuff out there. Of the 31 sacks we had last year (23rd)- 25 of them were by defensive linemen. So yes the defensive line was the best part of our pass rush last year. And no we didn't blitz that often. And yes if we get fewer sacks this year it will put us at the bottom of the league much like 2007 when we were 31st.

Seems you are the one not paying much attention and with the bad memory.

how does this change anything I said?? did I say we didn't get sacks? I said most of our sacks were coverage sacks, because I watch the games like everyone else. there were games where the pass rush just didn't get there but the coverage was awesome (4th ranked pass D). coverage sack, no pass rush. so what are you talking about??

[CRA]

I focused alot of attention watching Peppers during the games. He was NOT double teamed....and he did not dominate many games.

Don't get me wrong. Peppers was a great player.....and I would love to still have him on the team (not at $20 million per season). However, he was not the dominant and disruptive force that some of our fans wanted to believe.

I think we will be able to get pressure on the QB by committee. I do agree with you that DT is the biggest question mark on the defense. I like Tyler and Leonard, but they are young and unproven.

I think we will be fine on defense. But, with this young of a team...it is too difficult to guage before the season starts.

he dominated more games last year than he was able to do in other seasons......and he was hurt this past year. When Carolina made there push late he was double teamed. Watch any stud DE not named Peppers there are also tons of plays where they don't recieve double teams and don't beat the coverage. Lots of offenses plays are designed around those type plays so that they can leave them in single coverage.

Peppers is up and down. game to game. However, even though he was injured I seriously doubt you can argue 2 DEs that single handedly dominated more games than Pep in 09. Again, just my take.

We can find a more consistant player than Pep. But no one is going to give you those rare games and no one is going to cause a team to prepare for those caliber days on this roster.

[Mr. Burgundy]

its not that big of a stretch. he basically said what alot of us think. wild card around 9 wins possible 10. enough to keep Fox around. not a shock to me.

yea but the truth is, were biased...Im pretty surprised anyone has us that high with so many unproven players having to step up

[MadHatter]

he dominated more games last year than he was able to do in other seasons......and he was hurt this past year. When Carolina made there push late he was double teamed. Watch any stud DE not named Peppers there are also tons of plays where they don't recieve double teams and don't beat the coverage. Lots of offenses plays are designed around those type plays so that they can leave them in single coverage.

Peppers is up and down. game to game. However, even though he was injured I seriously doubt you can argue 2 DEs that single handedly dominated more games than Pep in 09. Again, just my take.

We can find a more consistant player than Pep. But no one is going to give you those rare games and no one is going to cause a team to prepare for those caliber days on this roster.

I 100% agree with you that no one is going to give us those few rare games that Pep was able to deliver.

However, I think the guys we have at DE (Johnson, Brown, Hardy, Brayton, and Norwood on passing downs) will be able to give us solid DE play.

[CRA]

how does this change anything I said?? did I say we didn't get sacks? I said most of our sacks were coverage sacks, because I watch the games like everyone else. there were games where the pass rush just didn't get there but the coverage was awesome (4th ranked pass D). coverage sack, no pass rush. so what are you talking about??

seriously man, the "4th ranked pass D" was greatly inflated b/c teams ran with such ease against us at times last season. We were never great against the run but there were stretches where we were horrible.

Our secondary last year had Godfrey, Harris, and Marshall. None of those have displayed at this point (including last year) that they are that good yet in coverage. So Gamble (who imo is an on and off as Pep sometimes) and that group was the driving force in all our sacks last season?

I think you logic on this one is a little off.