Panthers.com: Moore takes on lead(ership) role

[bleys]

No need to get snippy dude, I was just making a general comment. What do we do if Clausen plays brilliantly in the pre-season, and outperforms Moore? Obviously we're still going to prefer Moore be the starter, but it makes the decision a little bit harder. That's really Clausen's job: to challenge and push Moore.

Like I said though, no reason to be offended by what I said, it certainly wasn't an attack on you or your opinion. We're all Panthers fans here.

leave the kid on the bench regardless.. no need to rush the guy if Moore plays above average.. If Clausen is that good, he'll be even better the following year.. (I would expect this to be the case)

what if Clausen shows huge upside in preseason and we throw him in there and he gets rattled once he is playing live football... a bunch of what ifs.. I like the idea of keeping him on the bench.. perhaps a more conservative move, but one that has shown greater promise than putting out on the field in his 1st year..

and with all the dumbasses posting these days, me being snippy has become a natural reaction.. if you're a well thought out guy, then my bad.. I just thought it was obvious Clausen might have to step in this year in situations where Moore gets injured or throws 5 picks a game.. otherwise, I say keep Clausen on the bench..

[panthers55]

I actually would respect someone more to say "I think the Panthers might be going for Vick" more so than "Vick should be our QB."

one is guessing at what a team's decision might be.. the other is the opinion that Vick is actually a good QB.. the latter is a ridiculous thought, IMO... lol

I just can't stand the thought of Vick being our QB... and it has everything to do with on the field game play, not off the field issues...

(KT, feel free to step in with your racism now, if you will please)

I dislike Vick also but that is probably because I hate the Atlanta Falcons and their fans. I think Morgan has a lot more respect for him as a player because he played against him when Vick was in his prime and knew how hard he was to defend. He likely still thinks of him the way he was not the way he is.

One of the reasons I was excited to see us draft Edwards is that I think he is our version of a bright high character Michael Vick. Plus he will be fine playing receiver as well as wildcat for us. I could also see him running a reverse and throwing out of it occasionally.

[bleys]

I dislike Vick also but that is probably because I hate the Atlanta Falcons and their fans. I think Morgan has a lot more respect for him as a player because he played against him when Vick was in his prime and knew how hard he was to defend. He likely still thinks of him the way he was not the way he is.

One of the reasons I was excited to see us draft Edwards is that I think he is our version of a bright high character Michael Vick. Plus he will be fine playing receiver as well as wildcat for us. I could also see him running a reverse and throwing out of it occasionally.

which, btw, I have often enjoyed Morgan's insights/thoughts.. probly the only one I disagree with was Vick coming to Carolina...

I have seen a lot of people look at Vick's past game play and say, "he could be really good again." Like Morgan may have done...

Considering he was never a great passer and he was 2 years out of the league, I may have been one of the few to think Vick would be a horrible choice as our starter..

I feel Vick has solidified my opinion more than anything...

[panthers55]

which, btw, I have often enjoyed Morgan's insights/thoughts.. probly the only one I disagree with was Vick coming to Carolina...

I have seen a lot of people look at Vick's past game play and say, "he could be really good again." Like Morgan may have done...

Considering he was never a great passer and he was 2 years out of the league, I may have been one of the few to think Vick would be a horrible choice as our starter..

I feel Vick has solidified my opinion more than anything...

Your preaching to the choir on that one. I can't think of a quarterback I dislike more than him. Even now....

[Udogg]

So if you had a choice between lets say.. David Carr and Mike Vick?

[bleys]

Your preaching to the choir on that one. I can't think of a quarterback I dislike more than him. Even now....

hard to come up with one.. no doubt..

Byron Leftwich, perhaps? lol

the dude cannot throw a football... Touch is word we will never find in his scouting report..

So if you had a choice between lets say.. David Carr and Mike Vick?

Vick can only be compared to the worst QBs in the league.. Thanks for helping me prove my point...

[monstercat]

He didn't say we were going after him. He said in his opinion we should go after him.

I wonder if that was because Moore needed to catch up after neglecting it earlier. LOL

Seriously I have let it go so can you. Does it really matter at this point or do you just want to keep arguing??

You should let it go, because this whole "Moore has a poor work ethic" thing was based on hearsay and opinion in the first place. I for one, refuse to judge Matt Moore ( or anybody else on this team) based on secondhand information with no real tangible evidence to back it up.

The bottom line is that Matt Moore has performed well in every regular season NFL game he has started over a 3 year span, and I just don't believe that would have happened without him putting in the work beforehand. QB is one spot where it's damn near impossible to succeed without good preperation.

[BF91]

and with all the dumbasses posting these days, me being snippy has become a natural reaction.. if you're a well thought out guy, then my bad.. I just thought it was obvious Clausen might have to step in this year in situations where Moore gets injured or throws 5 picks a game.. otherwise, I say keep Clausen on the bench..

Trust me, I'm new here and I've noticed it too, no hard feelings. And we're pretty much in agreeance when it comes to having Clausen sit, I think it would do him a world of good to hold a clipboard for a year.

[panthers55]

You should let it go, because this whole "Moore has a poor work ethic" thing was based on hearsay and opinion in the first place. I for one, refuse to judge Matt Moore ( or anybody else on this team) based on secondhand information with no real tangible evidence to back it up.

The bottom line is that Matt Moore has performed well in every regular season NFL game he has started over a 3 year span, and I just don't believe that would have happened without him putting in the work beforehand. QB is one spot where it's damn near impossible to succeed without good preperation.

Again I think it was common knowledge and documented and you don't. Doesn't really matter.

Some quarterbacks have had success without working very hard. Vick by many people's opinion was a successful quarterback and admitted last year that he didn't work very hard in Atlanta. Players with good talent and ability can often make up for poor preparation. Problem is that they usually don't last and once their physical skils decline, they don't have anything to fall back on. I beleive that if Moore had put in the work he would played sooner and could be even better. But again that is all I going to say on the subject given it really doesn't matter at this point.

[Guild]

Firm stances based on conjecture.

[monstercat]

Again I think it was common knowledge and documented and you don't. Doesn't really matter.

Some quarterbacks have had success without working very hard. Vick by many people's opinion was a successful quarterback and admitted last year that he didn't work very hard in Atlanta. Players with good talent and ability can often make up for poor preparation. Problem is that they usually don't last and once their physical skils decline, they don't have anything to fall back on. I beleive that if Moore had put in the work he would played sooner and could be even better. But again that is all I going to say on the subject given it really doesn't matter at this point.

Vick made plays because he was faster than everybody on the field and turned half of his snaps into a sandlot type of improvisation where the X's and O's didn't mean a thing.

Matt Moore is a pocket passer who was behind from the start because he didn't even go to TC with the Panthers as a rookie, yet he played well in his rookie season. Huge difference.

[Wither]

I like him more now that I know he drives an F-150.

And not a Lambo. Actually, how much has Matt Moore made here?

Again I think it was common knowledge and documented and you don't. Doesn't really matter.

Some quarterbacks have had success without working very hard. Vick by many people's opinion was a successful quarterback and admitted last year that he didn't work very hard in Atlanta. Players with good talent and ability can often make up for poor preparation. Problem is that they usually don't last and once their physical skils decline, they don't have anything to fall back on. I beleive that if Moore had put in the work he would played sooner and could be even better. But again that is all I going to say on the subject given it really doesn't matter at this point.

It doesn't matter if he didn't work before. He is working his ass off now and seems sincere about it, which is what counts.

[1789Cardiac Cats9020]

totally PC

this mindset or approach will not change until after preseason game 2 or 3, period. don't expect it to.

you can expect many more PC articles such as this until preseason. that is when clausen will have a real shot at unseating moore. if it doesn't happen, then moore is the starter. if clausen lights it up with the second team, then takes snaps in preseason game 3 with the starters.... look out!

otherwise, any report you read, especially from panthers.com, between now and preseason will tout moore as the starter and leader of the team.

get over yourself, this article is nothing new or unexpected. :beatdeadhorse5:

Are you scared? me thinks you are

[monstercat]

Just one more little tidbit on Matt Moore...do you all realize that when Moore was entering his 2nd year in the league and his first TC with the Panthers, that he was also learning his 3rd different offense, including two in his rookie season? He outplayed Carr and Testaverde when he was only a rookie, which is about 20 something years of combined experience. So he's either incredibly smart, incredibly lucky, or he worked his ass off. I suppose it could be a combination of all three of those things, but it's extremely hard for me to believe that he accomplished all of that by being lazy.