Greg Hardy shows elite speed...

[Snake]

Peppers will be missed, but lets not forget, he had a year with 1.5 sacks, and last year when he looked pretty dumb the entire game against Dallas, looking like a chicken with his head cut off on the reverse and Jason Witten dominating him.

Hardy is showing promise, this dude can really play when healthy.

I really do hope Hardy can live up to what we are wanting him to be. Still its a long road before the season starts.

[PantherBob]

and your so smart you hear things on a message board.

Ok, that was officially the dumbest thing I have ever read. That better? Your petty response was the 2nd dumbest thing I ever read by the way.

[MadHatter]

Bullshit I have always said Peppers was not giving his all so dont even come with that crap. The fact was he was the most talented not the best. He got shut down most games by a TE and Beason had to call him out before he even showed signs of life. The only game he was our best DE was the Vikings game. The rest of the time he was hurting the team by not trying.

Spot on.

It depends on how people define "The Best".....most athletic? most consistent? most productive? Peppers was the first....definitely was not the second....and arguably was not the third.

[DaCityKats]

he was the best in the eagle, cowboys, cardinals, and all the other games he played in. the dallas game in was in the backfield a few tmes just for romo to step up and get the ball. he was so good that it looked effortless at times, so yeah we were spoiled. hopefully with younger guys on the field we will not have an effort problem.

[SorthNarolina]

Peppers got neutralized against dallas, he was off that game as well as the cowboys planning for him.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Though Peppers can be a beast I am of the belief we are not going to miss him all that much. He has trouble with OT with Average talent.

Of his 10.5 sacks,

7 came against non-playoff teams and 5 of those 7 came against arguable the cellar dweller of the NFL TB and Wash.

The games we needed him to step up and really make a difference he was a no show. Atl and Dallas. Throw in from the Arizona game through the New England game (7 Games)he has 2 1/2 sacks. Hardly worth a million per game.

The best statistical stretch he has was the Minnesota and NYG games. By then we are out of the playoffs and he is auditioning for a new job.

Peppers had 3.5 Sack against playoff teams and that is throwing in the 1/2 sack he got against NYJ and they backed into the playoffs thanks to INDY giving them the W in week 16.

Whether Hardy or Brown step up is something yet to be seen but IMO we will get a better effort and more consistancy from them then we got from Peppers.

Peppers sacks game by game.

His other statistics were average.

phi 1

atl 0

dal 0

Wash 2

TB 2

Buf 1

Ariz 1

NO 0

Atl 0

Mia 0

NYJ .5

TB 1

NE 0

Minn 1

NYG 1

NO 0

A side note. I take what Saint J says with a grain of salt. IMO most of his comments are biased and factless. He rarely has anything positive to say about any player we draft, though the Panthers are far an above the best drafting team in the NFC South. So his downgrading of Hardy really means nothing to this converstion. I find them more annoying than actual decent input. No where does he even recognize the earlier post the Hardy was the preseason #1 pick. He just spouts off he wasn't even the top two DL at Ole Miss.

Go Panthers

[Snake]

Peppers got neutralized against dallas, he was off that game as well as the cowboys planning for him.

Come on man can you really sit here and believe that the dallas game was just a fluke. I mean then you have to say that the vikings game was too because thats the other side of the coin. Peppers indeed has always got a lot of sacks but when we really needed him to step up he gave up. Look at the Cardinals games where things went south and he just let the TE block him all night instead of trying to make something happen like Beason did. Thats what makes players valuable. How many times has Smith pulled in that game winning catch. How many times did Jake drive for the come back. Its the same reason we all liked Hoover cause he was there busting holes in the D if we were up by 14 or down by it. Its the effort guys that win games. Just ask the Redskins about all that great talent.

[SorthNarolina]

Come on man can you really sit here and believe that the dallas game was just a fluke. I mean then you have to say that the vikings game was too because thats the other side of the coin. Peppers indeed has always got a lot of sacks but when we really needed him to step up he gave up. Look at the Cardinals games where things went south and he just let the TE block him all night instead of trying to make something happen like Beason did. Thats what makes players valuable. How many times has Smith pulled in that game winning catch. How many times did Jake drive for the come back. Its the same reason we all liked Hoover cause he was there busting holes in the D if we were up by 14 or down by it. Its the effort guys that win games. Just ask the Redskins about all that great talent.

I wasn't calling the dallas game a fluke and I'm not trying to defend Peppers for his inconsistent nature. I was just making a comment that that was a really bad game for him.

Your being overly idealistic with this is whole effort thing. Just because a player isn't playing as hard as he can doesn't mean he suddenly has no value to a team. Peppers didn't play with 100% effort but he was still the best pass rusher on the team.

After your assertions about Pepper's pass rushing ability were proved wrong you decided to change the subject and say that run support was more important. You want to avoid discussing anything he does well.

In the NFL you have to have a certain level of talent and motivation. Peppers satisfied both of these requirements. Peppers is the defensive version of Randy Moss. Both players disappear at times and get discouraged easily. That doesn't mean they can't play football. You mention Delhome and Hoover as being great effort guys, we cut both of them because all that effort doesn't mean much when your play starts to decline.

The Redskins reference is completely outrageous and makes no sense.

Who on the redskins resembles anything even remotely close to Peppers?

Has Peppers handled himself as poorly as Hanyesworth? No. His requests to get out of here were actually respectful, he didn't hold out or demand a trade. Never was a locker room cancer.

Maybe Lavarr Arrington? He played pretty well until that nasty contract dispute and all his injuries. I don't see the resemblance to Peppers other than being drafted so high. Except Peppers actually has lived up to being a #2 pick.

Has he been a colossal bust like Laron Landry or Rod Gardner? Nope.

You have some legitimate criticisms of Peppers as do most Huddler's but after that it's just sour grapes.