Jamie Dukes dumps on Panther's offense

[MadHatter]

All his points are valid.

Dukes has never had a rational thought...please do not give him any credit.

[PantherExpress]

This won't be the first time Dukes is going to have to eat his words after a game.

[CRA]

Last 9 games total points by the Panthers including this preseason.

6

16

10

26

41

23

12

3

15

3

Doesn't mean much but our offense may indeed suck. generally speaking we struggle to pit points on the board. If our #2 WR materializes and moore plays like he did in December and not September then maybe we will not suck.

6-10 folks

eh, Williams, Stewart and Smith put up points. Turnover prone QBs prevent them from scoring.

They averaged 23 pts a game in actual games....and when a QB who turned the ball over every few throws was on the bench. That is ideal for the kind of football we play.

If Matt Moore doesn't turn the ball over this is an 8-8 team (and that is a worst case scenario imo).

[Happy Panther]

"Panthers offense is run the ball run the ball run the ball, punt play great defense"

"John fox has been loyal to a fualt to the quarterback"

"Offense has pro-bowl guards and two first round draft picks at RB...for the offense to be where it is speaks to the quarterback...I don't think Matt Moore is the answer" (paraphrased)

all these are fair to me. What other quotes do you guys disagree with?

He makes good points about the giants getting old too

[Dpantherman]

you don't make VALID points, by spewing garbage w/ no thought or facts. When the cowboys eff up in the preseason all the analysts say so what its preseason. (John Clayton even said Thursday Night on the ESPN sportscenter special) when we eff, we are screwed. same old BS. who cares. wait until Sunday.

[MadHatter]

"Panthers offense is run the ball run the ball run the ball, punt play great defense"

"John fox has been loyal to a fualt to the quarterback"

"Offense has pro-bowl guards and two first round draft picks at RB...for the offense to be where it is speaks to the quarterback...I don't think Matt Moore is the answer" (paraphrased)

all these are fair to me. What other quotes do you guys disagree with?

He makes good points about the giants getting old too

Then he makes an idiotic comment like the Giants get a 5th preseason game....guys is a blowhard and a complete tool.

[Dpantherman]

"Panthers offense is run the ball run the ball run the ball, punt play great defense"

"John fox has been loyal to a fualt to the quarterback"

"Offense has pro-bowl guards and two first round draft picks at RB...for the offense to be where it is speaks to the quarterback...I don't think Matt Moore is the answer" (paraphrased)

all these are fair to me. What other quotes do you guys disagree with?

He makes good points about the giants getting old too

how about quoting Jamie Dukes instead of mike lombardi. rewatch the video. no one has a problem with Lombardi. he made good points and backed them up. Jamie Dukes spewed crap w/ no facts.

[Happy Panther]

eh, Williams, Stewart and Smith put up points. Turnover prone QBs prevent them from scoring.

They averaged 23 pts a game in actual games....and when a QB who turned the ball over every few throws was on the bench. That is ideal for the kind of football we play.

If Matt Moore doesn't turn the ball over this is an 8-8 team (and that is a worst case scenario imo).

Those scores were all Matt Moore games. He had 2 INTs only in 2009. 1 in preseason I think

[Happy Panther]

who about quoting Jamie Dukes instead of mike lombardi.

The first quote was not Dukes. So what? My question still stands

[Happy Panther]

Then he makes an idiotic comment like the Giants get a 5th preseason game....guys is a blowhard and a complete tool.

So that is what this is all about? This one line?

Sheesh

[CRA]

"Panthers offense is run the ball run the ball run the ball, punt play great defense"

"John fox has been loyal to a fualt to the quarterback"

"Offense has pro-bowl guards and two first round draft picks at RB...for the offense to be where it is speaks to the quarterback...I don't think Matt Moore is the answer" (paraphrased)

all these are fair to me. What other quotes do you guys disagree with?

He makes good points about the giants getting old too

-nothing wrong with the first point. It works with a team built like this, you just cant' turn it over at a league leading rate (see Jake).

- Jake Delhomme is not here anymore. His Jake loyalty is irrelevant now.

- where the offense is speak volumes about the QB? Last time the QB played Carolina went 4-1. Practicing without your running game being used and starting playmakers on the field doesn't say anything about where the offense is.

I mean, what the heck...somehow Double Trouble is no longer going to work b/c Jarrett and LaFell didn't look great in preseason?? Matt Moore suddenly is unable to get the ball in Smitty's hands b/c Steve was being kept safe?

[Happy Panther]

You guys all realize we may totally suck this year, right?

Don't hate some talking head because he points out the obvious.

[Dpantherman]

none of them were Jamie Dukes except the last one. he doesn't think Matt moore is the answer because he hasn't watched him. the last time he commented on the Panthers he didn't even know who our QB was. so how can he comment on him?

[Happy Panther]

- Jake Delhomme is not here anymore. His Jake loyalty is irrelevant now.

- where the offense is speak volumes about the QB? Last time the QB played Carolina went 4-1. Practicing without your running game being used and starting playmakers on the field doesn't say anything about where the offense is.

Re #1 it is totally relevant in week 4 when Moore is stinking

Re #2 I agree. i think we have hidden our offensive plan well and may surprise the giants. Although draw plays on 3rd and long probably will not surprise anyone at this stage in Fox's career