Let's Accept Some Basic Truths

[Kevin Greene]

There's two parts to the AE deal. First off is deciding to draft him in the 3rd round in a very deep draft, when there were other very good players on the board AND you possibly could have waited until the 4th or even later. Maybe he becomes a stud and makes this seem like a moot point and at least this part is debatable.

Then there's trading a future 2nd, that looks now to be the 33rd overall, for a very late 3rd (89th overall). This isn't a "gamble", you know you are losing this trade right off the bat. There's no way your future 2nd somehow ends up being later than an 89th overall selection. The only gamble is just how bad you're getting ripped off. It's a bad move making these kind of trades and at least to me this isn't really a debatable point.

Same thing with the Brown pick. He's really not that bad of a pick for a 2nd rounder in what was a pretty weak draft. Look at that whole 2nd round, it's not exactly overflowing with homerun prospects. The problem is trading away a 1st rounder to get the 2nd round pick, where you could have ended up with a stud like Dez Bryant.

This is where Hurney fails unequivocally.

Don't forget giving up a 1st, 2nd and 4th for Otah.

Then for added flavor in a 4 year period go:

Eric Shelton 2nd round

Deangelo Williams 1st round

Jonathon Stewart 1st round

The running back position does not warrant (read shouldn't) this kind of draft pick position in so short a time.

[Delhommey]

Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson. Brown AND Goodson.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Yeah I mean it's not like we could have saved that 1st and taken Goodson at the bottom of the 3rd instead of making a massive reach on Corvey Irvin.

[Delhommey]

Do Goodson and Brown together make up 1st round value? That's the question.

Save the 20/20 hindsight scenarios for the offseason or when you're waiting for a bus.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Save the hindsight? OK so we can't talk about our take on moves that have been made in the past? Alrighty then, to the draft forum everyone!

[R0CKnR0LLA]

It's funny you bring up that trade to defend it, saying basically we came out equal, but as soon as someone says, "no we lost out, we could have easily done better" it's HEY SAVE THE 20/20 HINDSIGHT KTHX

[R0CKnR0LLA]

And FWIW I posted that Irvin was a huge reach all of about 30 seconds after we drafted him, how's that for "hindsight".

[Kevin Greene]

Do Goodson and Brown together make up 1st round value? That's the question.

Save the 20/20 hindsight scenarios for the offseason or when you're waiting for a bus.

Hmmm, well 2 years in Goodson has less than 400 yards rushing in his career at less than a 4 YPC average. Goodson also has 4 fumbles in 100 rushing attempts.

Brown has started 1 game in his illustriuos career and has 4.5 sacks.

So the answer would definately be no.

[MaineManPanther]

This is where Hurney fails unequivocally.

Don't forget giving up a 1st, 2nd and 4th for Otah.

Then for added flavor in a 4 year period go:

Eric Shelton 2nd round

Deangelo Williams 1st round

Jonathon Stewart 1st round

The running back position does not warrant (read shouldn't) this kind of draft pick position in so short a time.

Its not as if we gave an extra first round pick up for Otah. We merley traded the 09 first round pick for a extra 08 first round pick.

In a two year span we woudlve had the same amount had we not done the trade.

[Kevin Greene]

Its not as if we gave an extra first round pick up for Otah. We merley traded the 09 first round pick for a extra 08 first round pick.

In a two year span we woudlve had the same amount had we not done the trade.

We gave up the 28th pick overall in the 2009 draft along with our 2nd and 4th rounders in the 2008 draft to select Otah 19th overall in the 2008 draft.

So we gave up a 28, 43 and 109 to select Otah at 19.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

28th i believe, 11 was the other eagles 1st

[carpanfan96]

My rebuttal in three parts:

1. Matt Millen

2. Matt Millen

3. Matt Millen

Very valid on all three points. lol

I agree on the first post though, I still think Edwards will turn it around and Brown and Goodson still have a year left before that third season.

Should be an interesting off season though for sure.

[Kevin Greene]

28th i believe, 11 was the other eagles 1st

Fixed it while you were posting.

[Jackofalltrades]

Fact: Solider is not a word

Fact: Neither are alot or allot

Fact: I don't want Newton, too Jamarcus Russell like

Opinion: We don't need as many pieces as people think (competent QB, decent OL play and biggest need dominant DT)