Clausen not part of the team...

[TheRealDeal]

That is why I haven't bought into Andrew Luck yet, because there was so much about Clausen when he was coming out.

The only thing that's given me some kind of optimism is that Clausen did horrendous his Freshman year at Notre Dame, then improved dramatically during his sophomore and junior seasons. If that's still the case, then the training camp competition for QB just got a bit more interesting.

[mav1234]

There was a lot of negative stuff about him too though. As far as Luck, there hasn't been nearly as much negative as positive. I've said it before though that Luck could just be a product of a weak QB and talent class altogether.

but Luck can make 40 yar throws from one knee 101010!)!!)!0!!

also, Clausen didn't have anywhere near the pure positive publicity Luck had, but yeah, it was overwhelming good.

[monstercat]

Damn, I would like to see the Panthers draft Luck as much as anybody, but Clausen hasn't even started for half a season yet, so it's kind of ridiculous the way people are turning on him. Matt Moore was getting sacked right and left too, and we are playing with 3 rookie WR's and a running game that is just now starting to look decent, so I think Clausen deserves a bit of a break.

Jeff Davidson should be getting more blame than Clausen, because this is a terrible offense for a rookie to learn in.

[Proudiddy]

Damn, reading that gave me chills. "The LeBron James of football"? Whew, that was a lot to live up to, and it makes it so hard to understand what happened now.

The things he's doing that can't be put on anyone else but him - what's caused it?

In a rare moment of sympathy for Jimmy, I will say this... A wise man once told me, sports is 90% mental, and 10% physical. If he's having difficulties socially, no doubt it's f*cked him up this year. If that's all it is, he can fix that, but the thing is - he's got to recognize there is a problem and work on it all offseason, as in implementing a new plan, approach, and making it a routine (mentally and socially).

I went through something similar my freshman year of college playing basketball, and when I came back my sophomore year I was killing, so I can relate to the mental aspect (not so much the social).

I still want Luck though.

[TheRealDeal]

Your avatar makes me laugh everytime

[CRA]

Damn, I would like to see the Panthers draft Luck as much as anybody, but Clausen hasn't even started for half a season yet, so it's kind of ridiculous the way people are turning on him. Matt Moore was getting sacked right and left too, and we are playing with 3 rookie WR's and a running game that is just now starting to look decent, so I think Clausen deserves a bit of a break.

Jeff Davidson should be getting more blame than Clausen, because this is a terrible offense for a rookie to learn in.

Matt Moore was getting sacked. Moore despite all the bad he did in his 4 starts got WRs into the endzone. He got 4 into the endzone and left of a lot of those on the field with errant throws.

Also, we aren't playing w/ 3 rookie WRs. Most of our sets feature 2 WRs and one of them happens to be a top shelf WR (even if he has lost a little). Jimmy still heavily targets the rookie WRs more than Smitty.

Clausen is about as unproductive as it can get.......and that is on him. Being a rookie or a team with OL issues doesn't explain it all away.

If Jimmy does the same the next 3 games there is no point in keeping him around. Too often we hang on to players that don't show enough.

[mav1234]

Matt Moore was getting sacked. Moore despite all the bad he did in his 4 starts got WRs into the endzone. He got 4 into the endzone and left of a lot of those on the field with errant throws.

Clausen is about as unproductive as it can get.......and that is on him. Being a rookie or a team with OL issues doesn't explain it all away.

If Jimmy does the same the next 3 games there is no point in keeping him around. Too often we hang on to players that don't show enough.

literally the only decent thing Moore did for the offense was get us into the endzone with WRs. He did not get us more yards, more drives, or more total points really. He did get Gettis involved in one game in a major way and deserves props for that. However, by and large, the offense BLEW under him, and while he deserves some of the blame, a lot of the problems with it continue today.

The thing is, Moore didn't have a running game. Initially, Clausen didn't either - but now he does, and he still sucks. Hell, Clausen looks worse now than when we were sputtering in place on the ground.

The reality is Moore was superior to Clausen, but that isn't saying a whole lot. While I have no doubt now Moore could have won us a game or two more, we can at least thank Clausen for putting us in position to get Andrew Luck.

[TheRealDeal]

literally the only decent thing Moore did for the offense was get us into the endzone with WRs. He did not get us more yards, more drives, or more total points really. He did get Gettis involved in one game in a major way and deserves props for that. However, by and large, the offense BLEW under him, and while he deserves some of the blame, a lot of the problems with it continue today.

The thing is, Moore didn't have a running game. Initially, Clausen didn't either - but now he does, and he still sucks. Hell, Clausen looks worse now than when we were sputtering in place on the ground.

The reality is Moore was superior to Clausen, but that isn't saying a whole lot. While I have no doubt now Moore could have won us a game or two more, we can at least thank Clausen for putting us in position to get Andrew Luck.

False! The FACTS are that Moore did get us more yards, drives, and total points. He also managed to get the receivers involved (even Jarrett had a few catches) here and there without even a semblance of a running game at all. Clausen has had that in the first NO game and the last 5 or so games so his excuses are running thin. He had more turnovers but also more TDs than Clausen even though Clausen is closing in on the INTs and not so much the TDs.

Edit:

Our only TD last week came when we didn't let Clausen touch the ball

Second Edit:

If you are going to bring up Moore, be real with it, don't generalize it and fill it with false information.

[CRA]

literally the only decent thing Moore did for the offense was get us into the endzone with WRs. He did not get us more yards, more drives, or more total points really. He did get Gettis involved in one game in a major way and deserves props for that. However, by and large, the offense BLEW under him, and while he deserves some of the blame, a lot of the problems with it continue today.

The thing is, Moore didn't have a running game. Initially, Clausen didn't either - but now he does, and he still sucks. Hell, Clausen looks worse now than when we were sputtering in place on the ground.

The reality is Moore was superior to Clausen, but that isn't saying a whole lot. While I have no doubt now Moore could have won us a game or two more, we can at least thank Clausen for putting us in position to get Andrew Luck.

well, the current run game would have been nice early in the season. Could have played Panther football. Limit Moore's throwing and the D was playing well.

I still think Foxy should have stuck w/ Moore a couple more games before benching him....I think with the work he put in overall in Carolina he deserved to see if he could workthrough it without being benched in week 2. Going to Jimmy that early was bad on many levels....bad for Jimmy (too early), bad for Moore (totally shot his confidence), and totally killed with the team had been mentally preparing for the leadership Moore was trying to build.

all in all, if Luck declares it probably will work out for the best. QB has been a need since Jake blew his elbow out.

[mav1234]

False! The FACTS are that Moore did get us more yards, drives, and total points. He also managed to get the receivers involved (even Jarrett had a few catches) here and there without even a semblance of a running game at all. Clausen has had that in the first NO game and the last 5 or so games so his excuses are running thin. He had more turnovers but also more TDs than Clausen even though Clausen is closing in on the INTs and not so much the TDs.

Edit:

Our only TD last week came when we didn't let Clausen touch the ball

I did NOT bring up Moore. I'm tired of people rewriting our early game history. We blew when Moore was at QB against everyone but San Fran. Seriously. Get over it. He was bad, the entire offense was bad.

Clausen has undoubtedly been a worse quarterback, but the offense as a whole has been at the same level of terribleness under both. If you look at games they started and pretty close to finished (so excluding Chicago, since that was a poo show for both of them, and NO since Moore got hurt, and Baltimore since Clausen was injured), they are literally at like 14 points per game average each. Yes, Moore had more TDs than Clausen himself, but his overall number of drives he had, time of possession, etc, was all pretty even until recently. I actually did the math on this before Moore got injured... and yeah. I was wrong about Clausen in terms of him being better than Moore, but the numbers show Moore wasn't any good, either.

Take home message: Both have sucked. Clausen has more to work with from the running game and still can't do it. That doesn't make Moore's numbers good at all and only look better in comparison to Clausen, not in comparison to any other team.

edit: as to the above, I now think Fox should have sat Moore against TB, and then brought him back in against Cincy, but either way, it's not like Moore was benched in the later portion of the season, he was put on IR...

[OneBadassCat]

Moore would have won us more games, maybe 2-3 and he shouldn't have been supplanted by Clausen so soon. He's the best QB on the roster (i know not saying much) and the only one that had a shot at executing Fox ball.

[mav1234]

Moore would have won us more games and he shouldn't have been supplanted by Clausen so soon. He's the best QB on the roster (i know not saying much) and the only one that had a shot at executing Fox ball.

This is very true, and I wouldn't dispute that. I would argue, however, that the team still looked terrible when he was starting, and that his return alone wouldn't make us a good team or even close to it.

He just wasn't very good this season. I think it is fair to place a lot of that blame on the rest of the team, but the QB does shoulder some of that.

[TheRealDeal]

I did NOT bring up Moore. I'm tired of people rewriting our early game history. We blew when Moore was at QB against everyone but San Fran. Seriously. Get over it. He was bad, the entire offense was bad.

Clausen has undoubtedly been a worse quarterback, but the offense as a whole has been at the same level of terribleness under both. If you look at games they started and pretty close to finished (so excluding Chicago, since that was a poo show for both of them, and NO since Moore got hurt, and Baltimore since Clausen was injured), they are literally at like 14 points per game average each. Yes, Moore had more TDs than Clausen himself, but his overall number of drives he had, time of possession, etc, was all pretty even until recently. I actually did the math on this before Moore got injured... and yeah. I was wrong about Clausen in terms of him being better than Moore, but the numbers show Moore wasn't any good, either.

Take home message: Both have sucked. Clausen has more to work with from the running game and still can't do it. That doesn't make Moore's numbers good at all and only look better in comparison to Clausen, not in comparison to any other team.

edit: as to the above, I now think Fox should have sat Moore against TB, and then brought him back in against Cincy, but either way, it's not like Moore was benched in the later portion of the season, he was put on IR...

I wasn't saying he was good. You said he didn't net us more yards, drives and points and that is wrong. I did the comparison earlier and it was almost a TD different. Moore has a 1:2 TD INT ratio this year and Jimmy has a 1:7. In almost any measurable Moore has been better. Not good but better.

If Moore had the run game we have now you could assume he would have been a lot better as history has shown.

[OneBadassCat]

I mean I know Moore made crucial mistakes but he also seemed to be the only one capable of converting those impossible 3rd and long plays that Fox ball so desperately requires to run.