Is the QB the only thing anyone cares about anymore?

[Catalyst]

QB isn't he only thing that matters, but it matters more than anything else. In general, the Colts aren't THAT much more talented than we are overall. They do have an elite QB in Manning, though, which makes a HUGE difference.

Way I see it:

QB: HUGE NEED

RB: Set even if Williams leaves/is traded

FB: Good here, even if an upgrade wouldn't hurt

TE: Solid here, depending on FA's status (King, Rosario)

WR: Only question is if Smith stays; Gettis will be a good one and LaFell will be at least solid. Will eventually need a true #1 if/when Smith leaves/retires.

OT: Gross + Otah is fine, but need a solid veteran to backup

OG: NEED A STARTER

C: Good as long as we re-sign Kalil

DE: I think we're good here as long as we re-sign Johnson; he and Hardy will be solid

DT: HUGE NEED

OLB: We're good as long as we re-sign Anderson & Davis

MLB: Beason. Need I say more?

CB: NEED A STARTER/NICKEL GUY

S: Set at both spots

K: Will eventually need to replace Kasay

P: Baker is fine

[The Saltman]

has anybody considered the fact that we had a lame duck coach, the owner didnt care about this season and the qb back play was atrocious is what might have cause this bad season. You think just because someone gets paid money to play football that the players might not have had any desire to play hard this year?

It might be a possibility.

[TheRealDeal]

has anybody considered the fact that we had a lame duck coach, the owner didnt care about this season and the qb back play was atrocious is what might have cause this bad season. You think just because someone gets paid money to play football that the players might not have had any desire to play hard this year?

It might be a possibility.

No

[The Saltman]

maybe the offensive line is better than we think. started the season with the same personnel as last year and looked pretty horrific.

:shrug:

[ElkinPanthersFan]

Perhaps that's what you were hoping for, and fortunately that's not at all what that thread was about. Seriously, I'm just going to ignore you from now on if your only intention is to start poo up. You aren't slick.

Well, you start a thread saying that Is QB all we care about anymore? When of the possible 52 threads you have started and are visible, 20 of them in the initial post have something to do with the QB. It seems to me that QB is approximately 40% of the Threads you start.

[TheRealDeal]

Don't come in his threads if you don't want to, it's really fugging simple.

[The Saltman]

go get a room u 2

[ElkinPanthersFan]

go get a room u 2

My room is filled with your promised virgins once you ascend.

[PantherFanForLife]

I said without much help. There is a big difference between the two.

Alright, but my point still stands. If we had a team like the Patriots, where we were so well rounded, and had their chemistry, that we can just put in our back-up and finish 11-5.....isn't that so much better than having a top-tier QB?

I'd personally want to figure out how to build THAT. And yes I understand it all stand with the QB, but every year there's a hot new rookie QB, and the fact always remains, that no QB is ever truly elite until they prove themselves in the NFL.

They only become elite after they accomplish something in the NFL, and no matter how good you performed in college, it can always go either way. I say get Luck if we can, and if we can't, just move on and start looking at our other problems.

But with us using so many draft picks on QBs year after year, there is no way that's not going to affect the rest of the team as a whole in the long run. I say build the team, as a whole, and I think eventually the QB piece will fall into place as well.

[mav1234]

"year after year"? Did I miss something? I feel like last year was the first time we've taken a QB in ages... Seems like it'll be two years.

If Andrew Luck bombs and we end up with the first pick again I doubt we take another QB.

You can try to claim the Patriots would go 11-5 every year without Brady, but as someone in Massachusetts I can tell you that you are simply wrong and are basing that off of one season that is NOT a good representation of anything. Brady is as integral to that team's continued success as their coaches.

[mav1234]

the bottom line is that this team desperately needs a quarterback upgrade. when you have the chance to get such a gigantic upgrade, and a face of the franchise that could really excite fans as well, you do it. it's not our only need, not many of us are saying that, but when healthy and with a good quarterback this is a respectable team. a few more pieces in the draft, a good quarterback, good veteran FA acquisitions and this WILL be a good team. It's not just about taking any QB we could, but in part, it is about Luck.

right now, the upside of Luck is greater than any other pick. so thats why we're so big on him. Have you watched him at all?

[PantherFanForLife]

the bottom line is that this team desperately needs a quarterback upgrade. when you have the chance to get such a gigantic upgrade, and a face of the franchise that could really excite fans as well, you do it. it's not our only need, not many of us are saying that, but when healthy and with a good quarterback this is a respectable team. a few more pieces in the draft, a good quarterback, good veteran FA acquisitions and this WILL be a good team. It's not just about taking any QB we could, but in part, it is about Luck.

right now, the upside of Luck is greater than any other pick. so thats why we're so big on him. Have you watched him at all?

Once again, I'm not against drafting Luck at all Mav. I think we would be crazy not to do it. I'm just surprised how that's basically the only thing being talked about other than the coaching situation. We have known all year, and once again I maintain, QB was just one of the many big problems on our team last year. Heck, it wasn't even the biggest if you ask me.

There are so many other things that should be addressed, and I believe they should be addressed before the draft, not after. There's gotta be some other guys in there that we should be taking a look at, as well as free agency that could drastically improve our team as a whole.

Collectively, I believe finding 4 or 5 good guys to bolster our O-line, WR, CB and special teams, will go a lot further in making us a better overall team, than a top tier QB will.

Put it this way, Andrew Luck with the same team we just had and the inevitable rookie jitters will probably give us very similar results. Clausen or Moore, now with some experience under their belt, with the addition of those 4-5 guys that we need at the positions mentioned above, along with a good all around coaching staff, would get us a lot further next year.

But that's just my opinion.

[mav1234]

We have no second round pick. We have no idea what contract situations will be because of the CBA. The draft is a long ways away; many of the top FAs are still even playing for the team.

Right now the only sensible things to talk about are coach and draft, and imo, draft is an easy one. There are more posts about coach right now than Luck I think, or at least as many

There is no place to go but up really so you are right, if we improved every area of need we needed to but QB the team would get better. The point many of us are trying to make is that we want to do more than just get better, but become competitive year in and year out.

[PantherFanForLife]

We have no second round pick. We have no idea what contract situations will be because of the CBA. The draft is a long ways away; many of the top FAs are still even playing for the team.

Right now the only sensible things to talk about are coach and draft, and imo, draft is an easy one. There are more posts about coach right now than Luck I think, or at least as many

There is no place to go but up really so you are right, if we improved every area of need we needed to but QB the team would get better. The point many of us are trying to make is that we want to do more than just get better, but become competitive year in and year out.

Well I want the same thing, I just believe you can only attempt to start at the QB position so many times, before you have to begin approaching it another way and from a different direction.

It's just too risky going after the top QB prospects year after year, and then when they don't pan out, you are left without a competitive team. Let's not kid ourselves again. While Luck does appear to be a better candidate than Clausen, not even he's safe from becoming a bust in the NFL. And what if that happens? We try again next year? In the mean time suffer through 2-14, 3-13, or heck even 7-9 seasons?

There has to be a way to rebuild WHILE remaining competitive and I think bolstering our team as a whole at a variety of positions with good and young talent(doesn't even have to be the best) is key. Another repeat of last year would be a disaster.

And at best, even if we get Luck and even if he has a fantastic rookie year, if we don't give him some additional help, can you honestly expect him to fare much better than Sam Bradford did with the Rams?

I don't, and frankly I WOULD be disappointed with us finishing 7-9 next year. Again it's a scenario where we have to take him if he's available, but given the choice I would easily take quantity of above average quality at various positions.