What makes Blaine Gabbert different from Tony Pike?

[Evil Hurney]

Casserly (former GM) likes Gabbert the most out of the top 4 QBs.

[mav1234]

dunno why people are putting Gabbert & Pike in the same category.

Gabbert has the physical tools. We'll see if his combine goes well. If so, expect his stock to rise even further; he could be a top 5 or top 3 pick if not the #1.

[rayzor]

people keep on saying that gabbert has all the physical tools. who cares? how many don't? he just isn't that good of a QB...at least not first round good. i seriously don't see what all the hype is about. get him in the pocket under a little pressure and the dude gets happy feet and tries passing the ball only his happy feet have messed up his throwing and puts the throws in danger of getting picked off (in the pros easily). in the pros he'd be way too panic prone which would make him mistake prone.

that could be coached out...but it would take some time. he's one oif these guys that you absolutely would not want starting his rookie year or else you are looking at another jimmy clausen experience.

[mav1234]

Your assessment is a bit bias; he isn't a statue like Mallett, he moves around and out of the pocket to make plays. At times you're right, he doesn't re-set his feet which costs him accuracy. He feels pressure decently well, but yes, at times he makes bad mistakes. However, he does have the physical tools including footwork and that's an area many, many of this year's QBs are lacking.

The team around him was not all that great, and his numbers this year reflected that. The type of spread he came from at least emphasized his arm and multiple reads, albeit on one side of the field.

Ultimately I do not think there is a single QB in this draft that is "pro ready" and comes in and blows peoples socks off, but just like Bradford the year before showed, the spread is not doom for a quarterback if they have the physical tools.

Not saying Gabbert is worth the #1 right now, but he is currently the top quarterback of the class. Cam Newton could potentially change that if he can really show that he can make reads and win a game with his arm on Monday.

[rayzor]

it's not biased, contrary to my cam hype. taking newton out of the picture i seriously don't see what all the fuss is about him. i don't understand how people can say with a straight face and without reading and regurgitating hype mentioned by mcshay that he is the best QB in the draft or even first round quality. from the tape i've seen i haven't seen much at all that sets him apart from most spread or college QBs.

in my criticisms of him i keep asking what people see in him and they all keep saying the same things..."he has all the physical tools" and then they start making excuses for how ugly things have looked with him.

i ask because i want to know. what is it that makes him a first rounder? there are quite a few QB who had all the physical tools who did nothing but suck when they got in the league.

[mav1234]

I don't get your point - first rounders are not guarantees. So yes, there are plenty of busts. Many of those busts, though, have off the field issues or questions on intangibles. Gabbert does not.

His "physical tools" include ability to avoid pressure, accuracy, release, arm strength, and leadership ability. He is coachable and has shown the ability to make reads and identify open areas of the field and lead his receiver to them. He is by no means without flaw, though. He tries to make too much out of bad situations at times. He has had a decent but not great college career personal wise, throwing for 6779 yards in 2 years with 40 TD passes and another 8 on the ground with a 62% completion percentage and throwing a ton of balls per game.

As to why he is a first round pick? Again, it's his physical tools and his intangibles. I have no idea if he'll turn out well, but there's a reason he is bounding up the draft boards and no, it's not his numbers this season.

[rayzor]

i'm saying i don't see why there is so much hype over this guy. he doens't look like all that great of a prospect and he doesn't seem to have much upside. at best he looks average. at worst he looks like jimmy clausen.

i don't care about his numbers and i haven't even looked at his stats. i've just watched him play.

[mav1234]

i'm saying i don't see why there is so much hype over this guy. he doens't look like all that great of a prospect and he doesn't seem to have much upside. at best he looks average. at worst he looks like jimmy clausen.

i don't care about his numbers and i haven't even looked at his stats. i've just watched him play.

Dunno what to tell you, then. Youtube films can only tell you so much. He looks good enough in his highlights to me, but he is obviously raw.

Maybe he is all hype, but I kinda doubt it. I suspect part of why people are high on him is the sheer volume of throws he makes, so there is a whole hell of a lot of tape of his throws.

He basically was Missouri the last two years. Admittedly that isn't saying much but still.

[mav1234]

Also, the best part about Blaine Gabbert... think of the catch phrase: Bring on the Blaine Train!

[Woodie]

i'm saying i don't see why there is so much hype over this guy. he doens't look like all that great of a prospect and he doesn't seem to have much upside. at best he looks average. at worst he looks like jimmy clausen.

i don't care about his numbers and i haven't even looked at his stats. i've just watched him play.

I think that people are seeing the potential he has. When people talk about his physical tools, he has pretty much everything you want in a QB: very strong arm, lightening quick release, generally good accuracy, good mobility, and very good size. But as has been stated, he also has some big flaws in his game such as getting happy feet and losing accuracy when pressured and he didn't have to read the entire field.

So, if you feel you can coach his flaws out, then his potential suddenly jumps from a decent starter to elite level. In other words, it's not the here and now most are looking at, but what he can be if coached up properly. At least that's what I'm taking from the talking heads, as far as fans, I've stopped trying to understand their reasoning a long time ago.

And for the record, I've only seen Gabbert play once, and that was his bowl game, where I came away thinking he definitely has star potential, but needs to fix a few things first. Other than that, I only know what I've read and highlights (which IMO can be very misleading). So by no means is my evaluation of him complete, but I do understand why he has jumped up the draft boards.

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I don't know how any Panther fan could want Gabbert. Not after withstanding Clausen and his happy feet.

[rayzor]

Dunno what to tell you, then. Youtube films can only tell you so much. He looks good enough in his highlights to me, but he is obviously raw.

Maybe he is all hype, but I kinda doubt it. I suspect part of why people are high on him is the sheer volume of throws he makes, so there is a whole hell of a lot of tape of his throws.

He basically was Missouri the last two years. Admittedly that isn't saying much but still.

the best situation for him would be in an already established program where he sits behind some vet for a couple years while he gets his kinks worked out. that isn't exactly the panthers.

[mav1234]

the best situation for him would be in an already established program where he sits behind some vet for a couple years while he gets his kinks worked out. that isn't exactly the panthers.

It could be. Drafting a QB does not exclude us from bringing one in or sitting whatever QB we draft. However I kinda doubt we would take him #1 so we'd need to trade back and we may decide we can get a QB in FA that would accomplish more for our new coach than drafting Gabbert.

If we do draft a QB, I would rather they sit for a few games anyway. A lot of it would depend on the OC/QB Coach I think.

[rayzor]

I think that people are seeing the potential he has. When people talk about his physical tools, he has pretty much everything you want in a QB: very strong arm, lightening quick release, generally good accuracy, good mobility, and very good size. But as has been stated, he also has some big flaws in his game such as getting happy feet and losing accuracy when pressured and he didn't have to read the entire field.

So, if you feel you can coach his flaws out, then his potential suddenly jumps from a decent starter to elite level. In other words, it's not the here and now most are looking at, but what he can be if coached up properly. At least that's what I'm taking from the talking heads, as far as fans, I've stopped trying to understand their reasoning a long time ago.

And for the record, I've only seen Gabbert play once, and that was his bowl game, where I came away thinking he definitely has star potential, but needs to fix a few things first. Other than that, I only know what I've read and highlights (which IMO can be very misleading). So by no means is my evaluation of him complete, but I do understand why he has jumped up the draft boards.

i've seen him play and there was nothing that made me stand up and take notice. he's a case of bowl game hype. pure and simple.