Cam Newton Public Workout

[Mr. Scot]

I've shown you evidence of it here on this forum, when anonymity in a consequence free setting allows for the display of it. Since media jobs are lost over racism, you aren't going to see it in the press.

As far as the press goes, the evidence is the amount of criticism he's gotten, not just after he declared, but during the school year too. The rumors and accusations leveled at the kid were amazing.

If you can't accept it is at least in PART influenced by racism, YOUR perceptions are the ones skewed. Not mine.

The only thing you've shown is a complete inability to accept that intelligent people can objectively come to a different conclusion than the one you have .

You just can't seem to wrap your head around the notion that someone else might honestly have a different opinion, and all that despite the fact that people on this forum regularly disagree just as much about white quarterbacks as they do black ones. In your viewpoint, if they disagree with you about Newton then somehow, some way, racism simply has to play a part in it because otherwise there's no way they wouldn't think the same as you do.

Narcissism at its finest :nonod:

I'll say it again. Intelligent people can disagree. It takes courage to accept that someone can disagree with you objectively. If, instead, you choose to impugn their character or imply nasty ulterior motives just because they dared to see things differently than you did, that's the mark of an intellectual coward.

I'd like to hope you're better than that.

You want to claim that's not "real world", fine. But in the real world, judging people that you don't know is called prejudice. And the person doing that right now is you.

[BBQ&Beer]

I gotta say, this topic is going to be funny as hell to follow the next few years.

[Mr. Scot]

I gotta say, this topic is going to be funny as hell to follow the next few years.

Parts of it, maybe.

The whole "if you don't want Cam, you're a closet racist" thing is just stupid.

[blackcatgrowl]

The only thing you've shown is a complete inability to accept that intelligent people can objectively come to a different conclusion than the one you have .

You just can't seem to wrap your head around the notion that someone else might honestly have a different opinion, and all that despite the fact that people on this forum regularly disagree just as much about white quarterbacks as they do black ones. In your viewpoint, if they disagree with you about Newton then somehow, some way, racism simply has to play a part in it because otherwise there's no way they wouldn't think the same as you do.

Narcissism at its finest :nonod:

I'll say it again. Intelligent people can disagree. It takes courage to accept that someone can disagree with you objectively. If, instead, you choose to impugn their character or imply nasty ulterior motives just because they dared to see things differently than you did, that's the mark of an intellectual coward.

I'd like to hope you're better than that.

You want to claim that's not "real world", fine. But in the real world, judging people that you don't know is called prejudice. And the person doing that right now is you.

Hey, Mr. Scot. Come on down off your soap box for a second buddy and READ and COMPREHEND what I'm typing:

This -

In your viewpoint, if they disagree with you about Newton then somehow, some way, racism simply has to play a part in it because otherwise there's no way they wouldn't think the same as you do.

Is what King Taharqa is saying.

This is NOT what I AM SAYING. OK????

You WILL NOT find and QUOTE me as saying "Anyone who thinks Cam isn't worth a #1 draft spot is racist.", because I have never made this claim.

All I'm saying is that there is exactly the same thing Zod just did. There IS seemingly some racism present and it's complicated, and HAS complicated discussions about him on this forum, and most likely on the national level.

I don't know why you've decided to try the character assassination on me. If I had to guess, its probably because your opinions on Newton are based on what you're reading, are subjective as hell, and has a serious risk of being proven wrong in the months to come.

P.S. and Edit - I do not support KT's baseless assertions of racism TOWARDS specific people on this board. However, I do understand why he might be defensive as to do so, given the responses I've seen about a legit QB option in the draft.

I'd also like to add that your attacks on me directly, are the exact same thing you've had from KT. So if you don't like it, don't do it.

[BBQ&Beer]

Parts of it, maybe.

The whole "if you don't want Cam, you're a closet racist" thing is just stupid.

Oh I agree.

It's just that so many have declared he'll be a bust/stud & there's no way they can be wrong. One side is going to back peddle their ass off or (more likely) he'll be a decent QB and both sides will insist they're right.

[King Taharqa]

I gotta say, this topic is going to be funny as hell to follow the next few years.

Its gonna be funny seeing these guys who were all on the "draft Luck wagon" spend the next few years making excuses for guys who fill an image need but have no business being Nfl qbs. Its gonna be funny seeing this team try to succeed when half the city thinks the owner and fanbase are racist. I always knew the we only hate Vick stuff was a lie.

[Mr. Scot]

You WILL NOT find and QUOTE me as saying "Anyone who thinks Cam isn't worth a #1 draft spot is racist.", because I have never made this claim.

All I'm saying is that there is exactly the same thing Zod just did. There IS seemingly some racism present and it's complicated, and HAS complicated discussions about him on this forum, and most likely on the national level.

I don't know why you've decided to try the character assassination on me. If I had to guess, its probably because your opinions on Newton are based on what you're reading, are subjective as hell, and has a serious risk of being proven wrong in the months to come.

P.S. and Edit - I do not support KT's baseless assertions of racism TOWARDS specific people on this board. However, I do understand why he might be defensive as to do so, given the responses I've seen about a legit QB option in the draft.

I'd also like to add that you're attacks on me directly, are the exact same thing you've had from KT. So if you don't like it, don't do it.

But your opinions are purely objective right? And they also have no "serious risk of being proven wrong"? Is that what you'd have me believe? :nonod:

The notion that nobody other than you (and other supporters) is capable of offering an objective opinion on Newton is just ridiculous.

Again, unless you can actually show some actual evidence that race plays a role in people's evaluation of Newton, you've got nothing to stand on. Suggesting that race simply must play a role "just because" is pure prejudice on your part, not theirs, plain and simple.

What I find especially amusing in all this is that you'd have trouble finding a consensus of opinion in this forum on Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike, Matt Moore, Jake Delhomme, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, or a dozen other guys I could mention. People's evaluations on those guys (and more) vary just as broadly as anything.

But if people disagree on Cam Newton, oh then it can't possibly be for objective reasons. It just has to be about race.

Sad :frown2:

[blackcatgrowl]

Suggesting that race simply must play a role "just because" is pure prejudice, plain and simple.

But if people disagree on Cam Newton, oh then it just can't be for objective reasons. It has to be about race.

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You are completely misconstruing what I've been saying AGAIN.

Racism IS a factor in a discussion about Newton, because it HAS happened on this board, it IS present in our society, and DOES influence people's opinions. If you dispute any of that, you're a liar or an idiot.

You're out to discredit me and attack me because I gave KT some credit in one thread, and he's your biggest critic. Your huddle nemesis as it were.

None of this changes the fact that Newton is a hell of a QB, has a bunch of upsides, is black, and has gotten more bad press in the past year than any other player in college sports, including going into the draft.

But keep on. You're making so much sense you can't possibly lose the "argument". Keep telling me I'm prejudiced, even though I'm the one open to us drafting a non-white QB #1 overall, and am white myself. Yeah.

[bleys]

First off, I didn't start the "racist" discussion. I don't understand why you are accusing me of doing so. I simply added some commentary to Jangler's satire.

Now... if you want to pretend that this "ONE" example is just an aberration, and that people who visit this board can't possibly be racist, you go right ahead and live in that fantasy land.

Honestly ONE example is one too many imho.

life sucks sometimes.. there are fools out there.. there are men who beat women, men who kill dogs, men who steal retirement funds from employees... the list goes on..

but to act like only white people are racist, especially on this forum, is beyond a tragedy to the very point you are making..

you can go on a witch hunt about this.. but you need to target the right people. don't go on a fuging witch hunt while you ignore KT sitting there being the largest bigot of them all. and he's right in front of your eyes..

get a fuging clue.. because I'm tired of hearing the race card when that motherfuger is king of the hill right now..

man up and call it for what it really is...

You're out to discredit me and attack me because I gave KT some credit in one thread, and he's your biggest critic. Your huddle nemesis as it were.

here's the thing.. and this is always how it goes.. KT comes on and attacks someone, falsely accusing them of being racist who never said anything about race..

and then idiots like you have the audacity to turn that fabricated label and say Scot's nemesis is KT?

are you fuging insane? as Zod has said, Scot has never made race an issue, and KT falsely accuses him of something and then you wana be over-dramatic about a fabricated story like KT -VS- Scot, Nemesis -vs- racist..

are you fuging kidding me?

"absolutely nothing" turns into something totally over the top, over dramatic, and no basis..

[Urrymonster]

:icon_bs:

You are completely misconstruing what I've been saying AGAIN.

Racism IS a factor in a discussion about Newton, because it HAS happened on this board, it IS present in our society, and DOES influence people's opinions. If you dispute any of that, you're a liar or an idiot.

You're out to discredit me and attack me because I gave KT some credit in one thread, and he's your biggest critic. Your huddle nemesis as it were.

None of this changes the fact that Newton is a hell of a QB, has a bunch of upsides, is black, and has gotten more bad press in the past year than any other player in college sports, including going into the draft.

But keep on. You're making so much sense you can't possibly lose the "argument". Keep telling me I'm prejudiced, even though I'm the one open to us drafting a non-white QB #1 overall, and am white myself. Yeah.

And yet it's the white QBs who are getting slated in the media.

[Mr. Scot]

:icon_bs:

You are completely misconstruing what I've been saying AGAIN.

Racism IS a factor in a discussion about Newton, because it HAS happened on this board, it IS present in our society, and DOES influence people's opinions. If you dispute any of that, you're a liar or an idiot.

You're out to discredit me and attack me because I gave KT some credit in one thread, and he's your biggest critic. Your huddle nemesis as it were.

None of this changes the fact that Newton is a hell of a QB, has a bunch of upsides, is black, and has gotten more bad press in the past year than any other player in college sports, including going into the draft.

But keep on. You're making so much sense you can't possibly lose the "argument". Keep telling me I'm prejudiced, even though I'm the one open to us drafting a non-white QB #1 overall, and am white myself. Yeah.

You overestimate KT, big time. He's not a nemesis. He's a troll. Nobody gives him any credibility, so his ability to do damage to anyone's reputation is, to put it kindly, limited. Add in that I'm far from the only person he pulls this kind of stupid stunt on. It happens every time he starts losing an argument (so in other words, pretty often).

And the fact that racism exists proves that people on here are being racist when it comes to Newton...how, exactly? :sosp:

Throw in that for someone who claims to be the only "objective" person in the argument, your notion that Newton has gotten "more bad press in the past year than any other player in college sports, including going into the draft" is extremely subjective, and can't really be quantified.

I'll say it again: People on here can't come to agreement on Jimmy Clausen, Tony Pike, Matt Moore, Jake Delhomme, Carson Palmer, Jay Cutler, or a load of other white quarterbacks, but if they disagree on Cam Newton, you believe racism has to be part of it because "racism exists".

To call that argument "weak" would be a compliment :frown2:

[blackcatgrowl]

life sucks sometimes.. there are fools out there.. there are men who beat women, men who kill dogs, men who steal retirement funds from employees... the list goes on..

but to act like only white people are racist, especially on this forum, is beyond a tragedy to the very point you are making..

you can go on a witch hunt about this.. but you need to target the right people. don't go on a fuging witch hunt while you ignore KT sitting there being the largest bigot of them all. and he's right in front of your eyes..

get a fuging clue.. because I'm tired of hearing the race card when that motherfuger is king of the hill right now..

man up and call it for what it really is...

Oh For fug Sake...

CAN WE MOVE THIS THREAD TO SMACK OR SOMETHING?

This is getting ridiculous.

I've already said I don't support specific people being accused of being racist on assertion only...

But KT's shtick isn't just towards Mr. Scot. He sees a larger audience of racism in our fan base. Now that Cam is a legit prospect.... I'm seeing it too. I can't begin to tell you how many others have sent me messages in rep remarks saying the same thing.

[Mother Grabber]

Cam Newton is a project. He also happens to be black. He'd be a project if he was white, yellow, orange or even plaid. The fact that he is a project means that we don't have the luxury of taking him. We need a QB who can play now. Luck is the only NCAA QB who can fill that role. Since can't have him, we look somewhere else. If Newton is still on the board in the 4th round, well...

[Mr. Scot]

Cam Newton is a project. He also happens to be black. He'd be a project if he was white, yellow, orange or even plaid. The fact that he is a project means that we don't have the luxury of taking him. We need a QB who can play now. Luck is the only NCAA QB who can fill that role. Since can't have him, we look somewhere else. If Newton is still on the board in the 4th round, well...

Stick any other projected first round QB's name in there and remove the race aspect, and it's just as valid a statement.