Rate Our Offensive Lineman from Last Season

[CRA]

1) Disagree here, the line as a whole under performed, but Gross, Kalil and Schwartz played well individually.

2) This was a huge problem

3) Completely not true, we were not blitzed nearly every play, I think Clausen was blitzed around 40% of drop backs, which was pretty much the same as most QBs

4) Also disagree with this. Whilst I know it's subjective, Clausen was only credited with being responsible for 3 sacks and a couple of hurries, Moore was a similar. What I do think suffered was the pre-snap blitz pickups as we gave up a LOT of unblocked pressure

5) Again not true. Our OLine gave up 29 penalties, which was pretty much bang in line with the average of the league

6) This is a completely subjective statement and a bit of a head scratcher. If you are referring to the snaps, that was sorted by the second half of Clausen's season. If you are referring to the penalties, you can see above you weren't correct. If you are talking about blitz pickups, then that isn't a case for chemistry, rather it's down to experience. Regardless we had the same issues with Moore, Clausen or BSP under centre, not really sure of your agenda with this comment...

4- see Carr. OL was credited for many that were simply on him. Can't put too much in who the credited it w/.

5 - our number of offensive plays weren't in line w/ the league average though were they?

[Urrymonster]

4- see Carr. OL was credited for many that were simply on him. Can't put too much in who the credited it w/.

Actually our OLine weren't credited as much as you think. They were essentially held responsible for 50% of our total pressure, with a fair portion of unblocked sacks getting through. This is why I am convinced it is a pre-snap issue, which should only improve in time (for all QBs)

5 - our number of offensive plays weren't in line w/ the league average though were they?

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen and yet people hold to it religiously. We had 962 offensive plays to 1060 defensive plays, which was 25th in the league. Our offensive line gave up 29 penalties in 4810 combined snaps, which is a penalty in under 1% of plays across the OLine.

It's called an 'average' for a reason.

In case you didn't clock what I am talking about, the average is penalty per play. So yes, we were smack bang average in penalties on the OLine. Biggest culprit was Williams with 7.

[CRA]

This is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen and yet people hold to it religiously. We had 962 offensive plays to 1060 defensive plays, which was 25th in the league. Our offensive line gave up 29 penalties in 4810 combined snaps, which is a penalty in under 1% of plays across the OLine.

It's called an 'average' for a reason.

In case you didn't clock what I am talking about, the average is penalty per play. So yes, we were smack bang average in penalties on the OLine. Biggest culprit was Williams with 7.

Carolina ran the 25th most offensive plays.

The had the 8th most penalties.

that doesn't make them average.

[Jackofalltrades]

What I would do for a decent QB...:frown:

Gross

Kalil

Wharton

Otah

Everyone else.

Injuries killed us as no unit relies on continuity and chemistry like they do.

Wharton is a very good guard, but what makes him even more valuable is he can play 4 of the 5 positions on the line.

If we can get a solid RG and get Otah healthy we'll be back at the top of the league.

[Urrymonster]

Carolina ran the 25th most offensive plays.

The had the 8th most penalties.

that doesn't make them average.

You couldn't be more wrong. We are talking specifically about the amount OLine penalties, which is the point of this thread. We had 29 from the OLine. You are talking about the teams total number of penalties on offense and special teams (when returning).

You really do struggle with the concept of statistics don't you.

[CRA]

You couldn't be more wrong. We are talking specifically about the amount OLine penalties, which is the point of this thread. We had 29 from the OLine.

You really do struggle with the concept of statistics don't you.

well, give me a site that breaks down the OL penalties.....

[Urrymonster]

well, give me a site that breaks down the OL penalties.....

I could but you can't access it because you aren't a member

I am not going to make this stuff up just to win an argument by the way...

[CRA]

I could but you can't access it because you aren't a member

I am not going to make this stuff up just to win an argument by the way...

didn't claim you were making it up.

I wanted to see the other teams in the leagues.

[AceMan]

1a.) Kalil

1b.) Wharton

3.) Gross

4.) Otah

5.) Schwartz

[MaineManPanther]

C'mon Urrymonster spread the knowledge! Its profootballfocus, you do need some cash to get the stats, but its a sweet site.

[CRA]

You couldn't be more wrong. We are talking specifically about the amount OLine penalties, which is the point of this thread. We had 29 from the OLine. You are talking about the teams total number of penalties on offense and special teams (when returning).

You really do struggle with the concept of statistics don't you.

I struggle w/ random numbers thrown about and the source not shared.

if you won't share the site......

tell me where the Panthers ranked in terms of penalties on the OL (out of the 32 teams).

Are those team penalties or just penalties w/ Clausen in at QB?

[Urrymonster]

I struggle w/ random numbers thrown about and the source not shared.

if you won't share the site......

tell me where the Panthers ranked in terms of penalties on the OL (out of the 32 teams).

Are those team penalties or just penalties w/ Clausen in at QB?

Maine mentioned the website, it's profootballfocus.

Those are their total penalties, with all QB's. They had 29 penalties given against them and drew an extra 4 flags.

Team - Penalties (accepted) - Penalties (declined)

Arizona - 20 - 2

Atlanta - 16 - 5

Baltimore - 24 - 3

Buffalo - 34 - 2

Chicago - 47 - 5

Cincinnati - 27 - 0

Cleveland - 20 - 2

Dallas - 39 - 4

Denver - 32 - 6

Detroit - 35 - 4

Green Bay - 34 - 4

Houston - 18 - 4

Indianapolis - 26 - 1

Jacksonville - 30 - 4

Kansas City - 27 - 4

Miami - 33 - 2

Minnesota - 24 - 4

New England - 20 - 1

New Orleans - 38 - 8

New York (G) - 30 - 4

New York (J) - 32 - 3

Oakland - 41 - 3

Philadelphia - 36 - 2

Pittsburgh - 49 -12

St. Louis - 34 - 5

San Diego - 18 - 1

San Francisco - 26 - 2

Seattle - 37 - 2

Tampa Bay - 35 - 2

Tennessee - 35 - 3

Washington - 36 - 1

Care to just accept that your view of the game isn't what was actually the case? It's only natural, you see the sacks, see a flag and that is all you remember. That's why they call them highlight plays and why analysis post-game is so important to get a genuine handle on what actually happened. I have seen you fairly often stating that stats are useless when not in context and that you think watching the game gives you a better idea. Well here is pretty standard proof that what you thought you were seeing wasn't the case.

Please just accept you were wrong for once.

[CRA]

Maine mentioned the website, it's profootballfocus.

Those are their total penalties, with all QB's. They had 29 penalties given against them and drew an extra 4 flags.

Team - Penalties (accepted) - Penalties (declined)

Arizona - 20 - 2

Atlanta - 16 - 5

Baltimore - 24 - 3

Buffalo - 34 - 2

Chicago - 47 - 5

Cincinnati - 27 - 0

Cleveland - 20 - 2

Dallas - 39 - 4

Denver - 32 - 6

Detroit - 35 - 4

Green Bay - 34 - 4

Houston - 18 - 4

Indianapolis - 26 - 1

Jacksonville - 30 - 4

Kansas City - 27 - 4

Miami - 33 - 2

Minnesota - 24 - 4

New England - 20 - 1

New Orleans - 38 - 8

New York (G) - 30 - 4

New York (J) - 32 - 3

Oakland - 41 - 3

Philadelphia - 36 - 2

Pittsburgh - 49 -12

St. Louis - 34 - 5

San Diego - 18 - 1

San Francisco - 26 - 2

Seattle - 37 - 2

Tampa Bay - 35 - 2

Tennessee - 35 - 3

Washington - 36 - 1

Care to just accept that your view of the game isn't what was actually the case? It's only natural, you see the sacks, see a flag and that is all you remember. That's why they call them highlight plays and why analysis post-game is so important to get a genuine handle on what actually happened. I have seen you fairly often stating that stats are useless when not in context and that you think watching the game gives you a better idea. Well here is pretty standard proof that what you thought you were seeing wasn't the case.

Please just accept you were wrong for once.

well thanks for posting what I asked for.

I am wrong often about Carolina football. I don't think I am wrong about Clausen sucking. I also wasn't the one who intitally brought it up. You do appear to be right that the number looks in line w/ the rest of the league. I was wrong about thinking the OL had more penalties than normal.....that is why I was interested in the site b/c I couldn't find it.

Do you mind me asking what you pay a month for the site. Would you recommend it?

[lymelizzard]

If you're up to it, list the best to the worst in a 1-5 order (you can add others that had playing time in the year)

I'm not that familiar with our offensive line and I really want to know why it sucked, and if specific people were responsible for the suckage..

They were very offensive.