Matt Maiocco has us taking Newton # 1 overall

[TheRealDeal]

Honestly, I dont see what the problem is having a running QB. When he rolls out the pocket the LB's and defensive backfield have to adjust. If the O plans to send WR's deep like Chud said in his video, thats leaves alot of open room. A mobile QB is way better then one that stands in the pocket. The league is filled with those guys and most of them are lifetime backups. Rodgers and Big Ben are pocket passers that can run. Your not going to get that with Clausen. Moore maybe if he even comes back.

Don't use running and mobile like they are interchangeable, they are completely different.

Ben and Rodgers are mobile, Cam is a runner.

[mav1234]

Honestly, I dont see what the problem is having a running QB. When he rolls out the pocket the LB's and defensive backfield have to adjust. If the O plans to send WR's deep like Chud said in his video, thats leaves alot of open room. A mobile QB is way better then one that stands in the pocket. The league is filled with those guys and most of them are lifetime backups. Rodgers and Big Ben are pocket passers that can run. Your not going to get that with Clausen. Moore maybe if he even comes back.

Yet they are not running quarterbacks as they exist in college football. These are mobile quarterbacks, NOT running quarterbacks. There is a huge f'ing distance and I am sick of people saying the two are identical.

edit: seriously wtf TRD >: ( stop doing that.

[DynastyRTR]

Newton, Fairley, Green, or Peterson is an upgrade at the QB, WR, DT, and CB position. any of them are welcome as far as im concerned

[TheRealDeal]

Yet they are not running quarterbacks as they exist in college football. These are mobile quarterbacks, NOT running quarterbacks. There is a huge f'ing distance and I am sick of people saying the two are identical.

edit: seriously wtf TRD >: ( stop doing that.

Stop being late

[CarolinaKat]

you two are sad twins.

[CarolinaKat]

Newton, Fairley, Green, or Peterson is an upgrade at the QB, WR, DT, and CB position. any of them are welcome as far as im concerned

:iagree:

[teeray]

Don't use running and mobile like they are interchangeable, they are completely different.

Ben and Rodgers are mobile, Cam is a runner.

He is a QB that can run not a running QB. "Running QB" is just a dumb broad statement that really has no meaning. This isn't Josh Nesbitt.

Just because a guy runs for 1400 yards you can't just say, "See he is just a running QB." especially when that guy throws for 2800 yards and 30 TD's.

[mav1234]

He is a QB that can run not a running QB. "Running QB" is just a dumb broad statement that really has no meaning. This isn't Josh Nesbitt.

Just because a guy runs for 1400 yards you can't just say, "See he is just a running QB." especially when that guy throws for 2800 yards and 30 TD's.

what about when a guy makes one read and runs? what about one who had nearly as many rushing attempts (264) as passing attempts?

It's not so much about his yardage gained as much as his playstyle that makes him a running QB. If you really want to call him a dual threat QB instead of a running QB, fine, but the plain and simple truth is that his playstyle will NOT directly translate to the NFL.

[SPANKY]

Who ever end's up drafting Cam will have to coach him up on staying in the pocket and looking at all his WR's not just one and then run. He has the raw talent, just a matter of coaching a few bad habbit's out of him. He has all the arm and speed a QB need's. He did make some good SEC team's look awful. I'am not looking to piss anybody off, don't know what to think about this draft honestly, and with the CBA looming overhead, we should just hope that we get a chance to play our #1 pick in 2011.

[Snake]

Newton needs to be in the right situation. He needs to sit a year and learn then be allowed to compete next year. I think we will be right for that because we will def find a FA that will come in and compete. I think it will be a clean slate but IMO a FA would beat out Newton year one. If that FA keeps winning then that great but if he stumbles well we saw how Delhomme took over for Pete.

[Swarly]

by the way..

Clausen in college - 3,722 yards, 28 touchdowns, 4 ints, 68% completion

see how meaningless college stats are? most of the time you're facing mediocre AT BEST competition and the systems ran in college are completely different than the NFL.

if you want to draft Newton based on being a phenomenal athlete with a lot of upside/winner/whatever, fine that's reasonable, but please stop bringing up stats. most people weren't going crazy for Andrew Luck because of his stats, they were going crazy because he

a) played in a pro style offense while being coached by an awesome coach(Harbaugh)

could make every throw with excellent accuracy and touch

c) no off the field issues

d) great leader, could really control the offense

e) very mobile, not as quick or elusive as Newton, more like Rodgers/Ben

etc... list goes on.

ugh. I wish people could just get over that some people don't want to draft Newton. with that said, if we DID draft Newton I'll support him just as I did Clausen when he was drafted(I REALLY didn't want to draft Clausen).

[teeray]

what about when a guy makes one read and runs? what about one who had nearly as many rushing attempts (264) as passing attempts?

It's not so much about his yardage gained as much as his playstyle that makes him a running QB. If you really want to call him a dual threat QB instead of a running QB, fine, but the plain and simple truth is that his playstyle will NOT directly translate to the NFL.

You guys are unfairly judging him on his "one read and run" stuff because again it is false.

You saw a lot of that in his first 5/6 games as he was still learning the offense but as the year progressed this was not the case.

His last 6 games last year he only ran for only 66 yards per game, threw for 232 yards per game, had 6 rushing TD's, and 17 passing TD's.

The second half of the year after he became acclimated to big time college football and learned the offense he was actually a passing QB and not a running QB and a very good passing QB.

Unfortunately he gets penalized for being basically a rookie in the SEC and not staying through his progressions (and yes a there are progression in Gus' offense) the first 5/6 games. So people just say it was a one read and run offense which it isn't. Once he began to stay in the pocket as he did a good portion of the second half of the season and go through his progressions the offense flourished as it averaged @45 points per game. As a passing QB.

[DaCityKats]

It matters because that helped him get favorable matchups on the outside. To stop the roughly 22 rushing attempts a game from Cam as a runner, the defenses would put more guys in the box, thus allowing Cam to hit those swing passes or screens to slot guys while the WR blocked and get big gains. It also allowed for single coverage on the outside with little safety help. It is 100x easier to complete passes against single coverage and that is what he saw most of the year. When your routes are streaks or swings, it's not hard to put up the numbers he did.

That is why his rushing attempts are important. It set up every other aspect of the game. It allowed him to be the passer he was. He's not that skilled of a passer by any means but when the defense has to stop the attempts with more bodies, something that won't be needed in the NFL, it opens up opportunities for him through the air.

Just something that's important to note.

but teams did that to clausen/ moore because they were worried about double trouble and they still could not take advantage of the single match up.just give his carries to that BEAST back field we have.

[mav1234]

You guys are unfairly judging him on his "one read and run" stuff because again it is false.

You saw a lot of that in his first 5/6 games as he was still learning the offense but as the year progressed this was not the case.

His last 6 games last year he only ran for only 66 yards per game, threw for 232 yards per game, had 6 rushing TD's, and 17 passing TD's.

The second half of the year after he became acclimated to big time college football and learned the offense he was actually a passing QB and not a running QB and a very good passing QB.

Unfortunately he gets penalized for being basically a rookie in the SEC and not staying through his progressions (and yes a there are progression in Gus' offense) the first 5/6 games. So people just say it was a one read and run offense which it isn't. Once he began to stay in the pocket as he did a good portion of the second half of the season and go through his progressions the offense flourished as it averaged @45 points per game. As a passing QB.

It is not false. Even in the NC game he was playing the same way (which was how the offense was meant to be run and he did it very well). He DOES move around looking to throw if his first read is open but he can't get the ball there due to pressure. He had one good play in the NC where this was the case. However, you could tell that he was making one, maybe two, quick reads, then pulling it down and bolting. That doesn't mean his rushing was as wildly effective as the season went on, but he was still doing it. He still rushed 22 times in the Nat'l championship game, which is a TON of carriers.

See, you look at his last 6 games and see that he was "learning" the Auburn offense. I look at his last 6 games and see two games where his team absolutely blew the opposition out (Miss. and Chattanooga), so he didn't need to do much with his legs because they couldn't stop them AT ALL. On the other hand, against the better SEC competition, he ran 28 times, 30 times, 22 times, and 14 times. He may not have been as effective over those 94 attempts as his earlier attempts, but that's still a ton of attempts in 4 games! His rushing game was setting up his passing game all season, and the only difference is that teams started having to commit more and more people to stop it, which gave him some great looks down field to open receivers.

I have no doubt he was learning the offense as he went, but the offense was, at it's heart, a spread-option offense with a quick read-and-run approach... and he executed it amazingly well.

edit: not to mention Auburn had two other backs putting up good numbers on the ground for teams to deal with, so it's not like he was the sole reason teams were loading it up to stop the run.