Cam Character Issue?

[blackcatgrowl]

There are plenty of real reasons but you refuse to accept them and then get all bitchy about racism and how we aren't NFL scouts and blah blah blah.

You don't want to accept anything negative said about Cam...you need to "gtfo"

I don't accept ignorant bias, like when someone tells me he has accuracy issues with the 2nd highest passing efficiency in Div 1 NCAA football last year.

[TheRealDeal]

I don't accept ignorant bias, like when someone tells me he has accuracy issues with the 2nd highest passing efficiency in Div 1 NCAA football last year.

Do you watch how many swing passes he throws?

Even Jimmy Clausen can complete those

[rayzor]

out of curiousity, did you read it? it may take you a few hours due to you being a pinhead :), but still it would be well worth the effort.

if you did or do read it, i'd be interested to see your reaction...though they'd probably be better off in the other thread that discusses it.

Why do you care what I think about an article about Cam?

out of curiousity

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[blackcatgrowl]

There is not point in even talking to you about this guy.

You have people continuously saying that they are positive about the guy, an article that backs it up and simply because some red flags have been thrown you act like a baby.

You really do have you head in the sand. You take offence to tiny things people say when they aren't even abusive about him or you.

The media have 'assassinated' Locker, written off Mallet and most places are now listening Cam above Gabbert. What more do you want...?

You really do need to get a grip, or possibly take some time out from the keyboard. The pent up aggression and frustration is a bit unbelievable. You are actually making KT look balanced and unobjectionable when it comes to Qb discussions.

LOL, the way you're responding to me, you're coming off as the pent up one dude.

If you want to discuss Cam, lets discuss it. If you want to say "blah, blah blah, he's a bad person, blah, blah", get used to ready for some ridicule when replying to a thread I'm posting it, cause I'm sick of reading this garbage.

[Urrymonster]

I don't accept ignorant bias, like when someone tells me he has accuracy issues with the 2nd highest passing efficiency in Div 1 NCAA football last year.

Ok so the facts from your point of view:

Elite arm strength

Elite accuracy

Elite mobility

Elite footwork

Elite pocket presence

No character issues at all

Able to make full progressions and utilise his check downs efficiently

[blackcatgrowl]

Do you watch how many swing passes he throws?

Even Jimmy Clausen can complete those

Swing passes... yeah... mkay! Gonna go count em all for us?

Not feeding you troll. Back on ignore!

[MCCNASTY]

LOL, the way you're responding to me, you're coming off as the pent up one dude.

If you want to discuss Cam, lets discuss it. If you want to say "blah, blah blah, he's a bad person, blah, blah", get used to ready for some ridicule when replying to a thread I'm posting it, cause I'm sick of reading this garbage.

Stop reading it. No one ever agrees in any way in every one of these ridiculous, boring, redundant threads. Its the same damn sh*t over and over till they get locked.

[rayzor]

I know it wasn't addressed to me but it did make me think about a couple of things that I had know about him.

Can't remember if it was in this article but I found it interesting that he was urged to run more, because up till a couple of years ago he was fundamentally a pocket QB.

I still think his system this past year was perfect for him and it will have developed certain tendencies, but it gives me hope that his behaviour when being pressured will be more coachable.

The flip side is I put more into character than most (going back to your old post I was always one of those annoyingly mature 19-20 yo) and it did give more information on his struggles in the past.

i don't know that it helped him defelop many tendencies, if you are mainly refering to his running when under pressure, but i don't think it is as big of a deal or played as much a part of his game as many believe.

from the article...

What we found is that Newton only scrambled for yardage on a total of 15 of 169 pass snaps. The other 80 or so runs were called as run plays from the sidelines. The rate (just under 9%) at which Newton pulled down the ball and ran for yardage rather than continuing to try and pass the ball, was comparable with the rate at which Aaron Rodgers did the same (just under 8%) for the Green Bay Packers during the 2010 regular season, according to Pro Football Focus.

Of course, there’s more than that. Cynics may reply that a ‘run-first’ guy may still ultimately pass the ball but he is far too quick to give up on the pocket and begin scrambling around to try and make something happened. This would naturally mean that a large percentage of Newton’s throws came while scrambling around and making something happen. However, according to our research, only about 1 in 5 of Newton’s pass attempts during those final six games came under these conditions. Again according to Pro Football Focus, Aaron Rodgers threw a little over 1 in 5 of his pass attempts while ‘Under Pressure’.

this was something that i really didn't expect to see, but facts are facts.

he handles pressure really well and i think that he already was a decent pocket passer, but he got a chance to develop his ability to run so much that it outshined his work in the pocket. i know most highlights and comments about him have had to do with his "vickness", but really that wasn't telling even close to the whole story.

[Urrymonster]

i don't know that it helped him defelop many tendencies, if you are mainly refering to his running when under pressure, but i don't think it is as big of a deal or played as much a part of his game as many believe.

from the article...

this was something that i really didn't expect to see, but facts are facts.

he handles pressure really well and i think that he already was a decent pocket passer, but he got a chance to develop his ability to run so much that it outshined his work in the pocket. i know most highlights and comments about him have had to do with his "vickness", but really that wasn't telling even close to the whole story.

That is the thing I was thinking about, there was a quote from him as well which suggested he was almost too pocket qb like a few years back.

It's a good breakdown and kinda just shows the scheme is what was causing the runs, however I think he was encouraged to do 'one read and run' for the most part, so a lot may have come across as designed runs.

Like I said, it opened my thoughts regarding that part of his game. There are still things that I think he needs to prove to teams, but then I was never one he felt he wasn't in the discussion.

Generally I try not to get too convinced either way about draftees, as its easy to get swept along by the hype.

[TheRealDeal]

i don't know that it helped him defelop many tendencies, if you are mainly refering to his running when under pressure, but i don't think it is as big of a deal or played as much a part of his game as many believe.

from the article...

this was something that i really didn't expect to see, but facts are facts.

he handles pressure really well and i think that he already was a decent pocket passer, but he got a chance to develop his ability to run so much that it outshined his work in the pocket. i know most highlights and comments about him have had to do with his "vickness", but really that wasn't telling even close to the whole story.

What is the sample size from the article. It said he only pulled and ran on so many times out of 169 pass attempts but he had 280 passes so who knows how many more were passes that turned into runs. That number is close to 300 with the 15 they counted so what is the real number?

Where do the facts come from?

[blackcatgrowl]

Ok so the facts from your point of view:

Elite arm strength

Yes actually. No mistaking that.

Elite accuracy

For college, hell yes. I believe he can translate that to top-10 in the pros.

Elite mobility

Oh hell yeah. 40-yards in 4.5... and a rushing career on top of the passing in college. 'nough said.

Elite footwork

Elite? Probably not. Terrible? No way in hell. Average to good is where I'd put it.

Elite pocket presence

Well, hard to gauge cause he played in a spread offense. This is probably the only legit concern out there, but I don't think it's a big one.

No character issues at all

None which equates to anything anyone should be worried about for playing in the NFL.

Able to make full progressions and utilise his check downs efficiently

I think Cam is very able to make reads and checkdowns. Again hard to gauge because of the offense he ran. But even a college player who reads college D's well can have a hard time in the NFL.

So the question marks, his pocket presence, and ability to read, is dependent on his ability to learn. These are things which can be coached. And from what Warren Moon, and all his other coaches say, he's VERY capable to acclimate to new routines and puts in the work to get them down.

So any "negatives" about him in these regards are slight imho, and not worth us passing him up.

[blackcatgrowl]

Stop reading it. No one ever agrees in any way in every one of these ridiculous, boring, redundant threads. Its the same damn sh*t over and over till they get locked.

Yeah, true enough.

And I've not been in all the Cam threads recently for this reason.

[rayzor]

What is the sample size from the article. It said he only pulled and ran on so many times out of 169 pass attempts but he had 280 passes so who knows how many more were passes that turned into runs. That number is close to 300 with the 15 they counted so what is the real number?

Where do the facts come from?

they looked into the last 6 games at auburn. thats why you're not seeing the 280 pass attempts for the season.

the author (or one of the two authors) was posting in the other thread about this article so he may know the exact answers you are looking for.

[TheRealDeal]

they looked into the last 6 games at auburn. thats why you're not seeing the 280 pass attempts for the season.

the author (or one of the two authors) was posting in the other thread about this article so he may know the exact answers you are looking for.

That was the only thing that stood out to me right away.

Honestly nothing about Cam from now until the combine is even worth talking about it's just the same poo over and over again. You can literally say anything you want and Cam supporters will go balls to the walls trying to discredit it even if you tell them exactly what you are doing.