Mayock Warming to Cam Newton

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That was for his big board, not his QB list. I'm talking about having him as the #1 QB ahead of Gabbert.

Honestly, I believe he would have Ponder ahead of Gabbert and Locker, if it wasn't for his injuries. That guy will have no problem running a WCO...if he can stay healthy.

I still don't think he would have Newton ahead of Gabbert.

Currently he has Gabbert at #5 on his big board. He said Newton would be in the top 10, not top 5.

He said Gabbert was the cleanest QB prospect of the top 3 QBs.. but even if Newton were just as clean, let's look at their QB skills according to Mayock.

Newton has a slightly stronger arm.

Gabbert has much better accuracy.

Newton has better pocket presence.

Gabbert has better footwork.

Gabbert has better throwing mechanics.

He claims they are almost equal athletically based on their combine numbers, but I don't really see that. I give that to Newton.

Gabbert is more intelligent.

Gabbert has a much quicker release.

I don't see how you can logically deduce that Mayock would have Newton at #1 over Gabbert, even without off-field issues.

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I still don't think he would have Newton ahead of Gabbert.

Currently he has Gabbert at #5 on his big board. He said Newton would be in the top 10, not top 5.

He said Gabbert was the cleanest QB prospect of the top 3 QBs.. but even if Newton were just as clean, let's look at their QB skills according to Mayock.

Newton has a slightly stronger arm.

Gabbert has much better accuracy.

Newton has better pocket presence.

Gabbert has better footwork.

Gabbert has better throwing mechanics.

He claims they are almost equal athletically based on their combine numbers, but I don't really see that. I give that to Newton.

Gabbert is more intelligent.

I don't see how you can logically deduce that Mayock would have Newton at #1 over Gabbert, even without off-field issues.

have you watched the type throws Gabbert was asked to make? That great influences his accuracy "numbers". Who is more accurate downfield?

Outside of footwork...I don't think there is anything we can definately give the edge to Gabbert on.

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have you watched the type throws Gabbert was asked to make? That great influences his accuracy "numbers". Who is more accurate downfield?

Outside of footwork...I don't think there is anything we can definately give the edge to Gabbert on.

"We" can't, but the experts can, because they know what they are looking at. If you can't admit that Gabbert is more intelligent than Cam Newton based on the Wonderlic then I can't have a discussion with you because you avoid the facts.

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Based on the video, Mayock seems to indicate that Mallett might be the #1 Overall QB if he didn't have off-field issues.

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"We" can't, but the experts can, because they know what they are looking at. If you can't admit that Gabbert is more intelligent than Cam Newton based on the Wonderlic then I can't have a discussion with you because you avoid the facts.

So QBs that scored higher on the wonderlic than Peyton Manning = smarter football players than Peyton? B/c that is what you are implying as fact......and I can't have a discussion with someone who thinks that is a fact.

Becareful not to put too much stock in the "stats" thrown around this time of year.

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I still don't think he would have Newton ahead of Gabbert.

Currently he has Gabbert at #5 on his big board. He said Newton would be in the top 10, not top 5.

He said Gabbert was the cleanest QB prospect of the top 3 QBs.. but even if Newton were just as clean, let's look at their QB skills according to Mayock.

Newton has a slightly stronger arm.

Gabbert has much better accuracy.

Newton has better pocket presence.

Gabbert has better footwork.

Gabbert has better throwing mechanics.

He claims they are almost equal athletically based on their combine numbers, but I don't really see that. I give that to Newton.

Gabbert is more intelligent.

I don't see how you can logically deduce that Mayock would have Newton at #1 over Gabbert, even without off-field issues.

Saying Gabbert has much better accuracy and better pocket presence sounds like a guy who didn't watch a lot of these two QBs in their actual games. Gabbert was terrible down the field and on third down. He also has lousy pocket presence and was way more likely to bail on plays than Newton was. If he didn't bail he made bad decisions. Take some time to watch the Nebraska game and the Texas Tech game. As a matter of fact in regards to pocket presence I give a big edge to Newton.

Gabbert is more accurate in the shorter routes than Cam and maybe more accurate overall but it isn't a wide margin if he is.

I admit I am not a huge Gabbert fan. I still have him third behind Mallett on my QB list. So take it FWIW. But there are a lot of NFL scouts who seem to agree that Newton is the more dynamic QB even if Mayock doesn't.

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So QBs that scored higher on the wonderlic than Peyton Manning = smarter football players than Peyton?

Becareful not to put too much stock in the "stats" thrown around this time of year.

The wonderlic determines aptitude for learning and problem solving, and it does translate to the football field. Gabbert scoring about 15 more questions correct than Newton shows that he is indeed smarter than Newton. Even the most prominent Newton fan boys would admit that.

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"We" can't, but the experts can, because they know what they are looking at. If you can't admit that Gabbert is more intelligent than Cam Newton based on the Wonderlic then I can't have a discussion with you because you avoid the facts.

Lots of experts agree with us on Cam. Including it seems the Panther's experts.

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Gabbert is more accurate in the shorter routes than Cam and maybe more accurate overall but it isn't a wide margin if he is.

if you actually look at what he said, he gave Newton the pocket presence.

I'd personally say Gabbert is more accurate up to ~30 yards. After that, Newton's arm strength puts him ahead. Before that, Gabbert is more accurate, perhaps because of the type of offense they ran.

Gabbert is smarter than Newton. This does not guarantee him more success, but it is generally considered to be the case. It does NOT mean Newton is stupid. Not at all.

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The wonderlic determines aptitude for learning and problem solving, and it does translate to the football field. Gabbert scoring about 15 more questions correct than Newton shows that he is indeed smarter than Newton. Even the most prominent Newton fan boys would admit that.

So again, there is a laundry list of QBs who you believe are smarter than Peyton Manning in terms of playing football.

too much is put into the wonderlic and what it means.....just like the combine.

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Saying Gabbert has much better accuracy and better pocket presence sounds like a guy who didn't watch a lot of these two QBs in their actual games. Gabbert was terrible down the field and on third down. He also has lousy pocket presence and was way more likely to bail on plays than Newton was. If he didn't bail he made bad decisions. Take some time to watch the Nebraska game and the Texas Tech game. As a matter of fact in regards to pocket presence I give a big edge to Newton.

Gabbert is more accurate in the shorter routes than Cam and maybe more accurate overall but it isn't a wide margin if he is.

I admit I am not a huge Gabbert fan. I still have him third behind Mallett on my QB list. So take it FWIW. But there are a lot of NFL scouts who seem to agree that Newton is the more dynamic QB even if Mayock doesn't.

Please read more carefully, I said that Newton had better pocket presence. With Newton's athleticsm, teams have to defend him differently.. thus he gets a lot of man coverage because you have to spy on Newton to make sure he doesn't run every play. Gabbert had traditional defenses to work against. When you put the guy's in shorts, Gabbert's accuracy is superior.

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The wonderlic determines aptitude for learning and problem solving, and it does translate to the football field. Gabbert scoring about 15 more questions correct than Newton shows that he is indeed smarter than Newton. Even the most prominent Newton fan boys would admit that.

Several retired NFL scouts admit that the wonderlic is the least important tool at the combine even for QBs. As long as you don't bomb it like Peterson did they don't even really care about it.

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Lots of experts agree with us on Cam. Including it seems the Panther's experts.

Never seen the Panthers say "Newton is smarter than Gabbert."

Manning scored way above Newton. Let's be realistic here: Newton had a below average wonderlic, and not just barely below (like Clausen). When The Golden Calf of Bristol did the same, it raised red flags for ESPN... but it hasn't for Newton, probably because due to racial bias the expectation was lower with him for it.

Several retired NFL scouts admit that the wonderlic is the least important tool at the combine even for QBs. As long as you don't bomb it like Peterson did they don't even really care about it.

Other scouts would say as long as you're at or above average they don't really care about it.

They also look at things l ike how quickly you make reads on the field and how fast you take to coaching to determine intelligence.

Newton is smart enough to be an NFL QB. That does not mean he's smarter than Gabbert. Come on, Gabbert being smarter doesn't mean Newton is going to fail or that Gabbert is going to do well.

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Please read more carefully, I said that Newton had better pocket presence. With Newton's athleticsm, teams have to defend him differently.. thus he gets a lot of man coverage because you have to spy on Newton to make sure he doesn't run every play. Gabbert had traditional defenses to work against. When you put the guy's in shorts, Gabbert's accuracy is superior.

I saw most of Gabberts pro day. People keep talking about completion percentage in these things which is completely unimportant. I think Clausen complete 59-60. Or something like that. Gabbert's pro day wasn't as good as many people think just like Cam's combine wasn't as bad as everybody thinks.

I'm not saying Gabbert had a bad pro day or that Cam/had a good combine just that the media blew. Certain aspects out of proportion on both.

Plus I don't care about shorts I care about what I see in games.