Mayock Warming to Cam Newton

[Lout]

Gabbert's actual wonderlic at the combine was 31, supposedly. Sounds like he's in the ideal range, not Cam Newton. ;)

As a note, 11 of the last 15 superbowl winning QBs have had over 25 on the wonderlic. 2 of the other 4 (johnson/warner) are unknown. 2 are Favre and Dilfer.

In the last decade, the only QB to play in the Superbowl with a known wonderlic below a 25 was McNabb, who didn't win (and some might even unreasonably "blame" him for that).

More interestingly is to look at the average wonderlic of starting QBs in the NFL. This is what I am doing.

I will say this: I've not seen a clear correlation between increasing wonderlic and success. As Tee said, there appears to be a sweet spot.

I am interested in your results. I will also say this. When is the last time a scrambling QB won the super bowl? I am not saying a QB that can also run.. like Aaron Rodgers. I don't consider Aaron Rodgers a scrambling QB.

[Lout]

well, that may be what it means to you......but that doesn't make it true. If you were to make a list of the greatest QBs of the last 3 decades......Cam's score would be higher than plenty of the guys on the list.

Wonderlic is garbage for the most part if you want to talk about who can play football pending someone didn't score a 8 or something.

They can play football, but how fast can they learn the playbook?

[teeray]

They can play football, but how fast can they learn the playbook?

Not sure Alex Smith ever learned the playbook, or how to read an NFL defense.

[Lout]

Not sure Alex Smith ever learned the playbook, or how to read an NFL defense.

Same goes for Matt Leinart. He just wanted to party and be famous.. be an 'icon'... not study the playbook. If Leinart would have dedicated himself to football, he could have been a solid pro. This is what worries me about Newton. If we draft Newton, I will stand behind him and hope like hell that he keeps himself dedicated to football. But, as of now, call me extremely pessimistic about his dedication once he gets paid.

I am not going to convince you that Gabbert is the right pick, just like you won't convince me that Newton is the right guy. But whoever we end up with, I hope we can all get behind our QB.

[teeray]

Same goes for Matt Leinart. He just wanted to party and be famous.. be an 'icon'... not study the playbook. If Leinart would have dedicated himself to football, he could have been a solid pro.

No doubt. And that is the most fair criticism on Cam's character in my opinion. Does he want to be a superstar football player, or just a superstar. I think he will work his butt off. But if I didn't think that I wouldn't want him. But I think it is a fair question.

[Marguide]

Check out this link for some Wonderlic stats:

http://infoproc.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/wonderlic-fun/

An "average intelligence" score is 21. The average for NFL QB's is 23.

A score of 20 roughly equates to an IQ of 100

[teeray]

^ interesting.

[monstercat]

How can you be an icon without succeeding at something first? Nobody cares about a guy who is out of the league after 3-4 years, so I believe the icon and entertainer comment just puts more pressure on Cam to work hard and succeed. That's a good thing.

I also believe Nawrocki's comments are a good thing for Cam Newton, because that's pure motivation for him.

[CRA]

They can play football, but how fast can they learn the playbook?

again, that isn't something the wonderlic is going to tell you.

wonderlic is overblown diddly poo.

you can claim a high wonderlic means you are smarter and can learn a playbook faster.

Wonderlic scores don't prove who is a smarter football player and how players learn playbooks.......really, it just shows how different people do on a very small specialized type of test taking. The lines people draw from that don't mean as much as suggested.

[Lout]

again, that isn't something the wonderlic is going to tell you.

wonderlic is overblown diddly poo.

you can claiming a high wonderlic means you are smarter and can learn a playbook faster. Wonderlic scores don't prove who is a smarter football player and how players learn playbooks.......

Why do you think they make the players take these tests?

[CRA]

Why do you think they make the players take these tests?

b/c it gives a very very small glance into a trait.

They use that small glimpse they get and use it with all the other information they have in evaluating guys.

as far as the wonderlic standing alone as a single piece of information.....it is drastly overblown......just like most of the combine.

[Marguide]

b/c it gives a very very small glance into a trait.

They use that small glimpse they get and use it with all the other information they have in evaluating guys.

as far as the wonderlic standing alone as a single piece of information.....it is drastly overblown......just like most of the combine.

Exactly.

I wonder what is more important to GM's, the Wonderlic or the underwear parade? :p

[Millions]

How can you be an icon without succeeding at something first? Nobody cares about a guy who is out of the league after 3-4 years, so I believe the icon and entertainer comment just puts more pressure on Cam to work hard and succeed. That's a good thing.

I also believe Nawrocki's comments are a good thing for Cam Newton, because that's pure motivation for him.

Well said :thumbsup: I think you are 100% right about him using the negative comments as motivation on the field. Hell we saw how he handled the adversity all year long. I am willing to bet he is motivated by doubters,he seems to have that mentality to elevate his game when his back is against the wall and I like that.

[teeray]

They do care about the wonderlic if you bomb it. Otherwise they really don't care. And even the Peterson scored a 9 and he might be our number 1 pick as well.