Best Trade Scenario Opinion?

[Bj-Monster23]

I don't think they would give us next years first for how weak the draft class is. I think they would give us their 2nd and maybe their 3rd next year though.

Well I understand.

[TruCatzFan]

The best trade scenario would be this:

Trade our next 4 yrs worth of 1st rounders...

Then take, Newton, Dareus, Green, and Peterson!!!

If we do this, we fill most of our "holes" with

( if I'm reading correctly on this site, "can't miss players")

Would that not be worth trading those pics to sure up who we are now.

The way I see it, is we can fill future needs via free agency!

Not to mention the fact that this board would DIE if they couldn't debate taking one if the four!!!

Just an idea!

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Super bowl!!!

[SCMunnerlyn1]

Who is Alshon Jeffery?

Lmao i should neg rep for that but you get a pass :p guy gets 20+ yards a catch and single handedly can win games by himself , he's essentially Andre Johnson if i had to give him an NFL tag , also he was the best receiver in college football last year , he was snubbed in favor of the guy from ok state for the trophy because that guy had video game like stats against trash opponents.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Alshon Jeffery is a stud. He has the height to be a dominate receiver and the speed to be a threat anywhere on the field. He is better than A.J. Green in my opinion because to my knowledge Jeffery has never been in trouble with the NCAA for anything and his numbers prove his capability as where Green's do not.

Alshon Jeffery is a carbon copy of Brandon Marshall (Just the way they play football, not their personal life's.

Alshon Jeffery: 6-4, 233 lbs. 40 time- 4.56

Brandon Marshall: 6-4, 230 lbs. 40 time 4.56

Other than 3 lbs. they have the same build and their athleticism and ability to play speaks for themselves.

Alshon Jeffery Notes

12 out of the 14 games Jeffery played, he caught 5 or more passes.

8 out of the 14 games Jeffery played, he had over 100 receiving yards.

12 out of the 14 games Jeffery played, he averaged a first down every reception.

7 out of the 14 games Jeffery played, he caught a touchdown pass.

[psyburn21]

Alshon is from St. Matthews SC, my hometown. He's always been a very good kid, and is unlikely get into trouble.

[mountainpantherfan]

Teams don't trade to pick a player at a spot, they trade to get infront of another team that they think will draft a player they want. So it is widely believed Denver wants Dereus. If another team wants Dereus they will need to trade ahead of Denver to get him.

Another team that most feel they know who they want is San Francisco and Patrick Peterson. And some have suggested Arizona wanting Gabbert. And there is a little talk about the Bills and Newton.

I think the best bet would be Arizona. Denver really does seem set and no one looks like they are willing or really able to trade up that high to jump infront of Denver for Dereus. They are just as likely to not trade as well.

Then there is Buffalo and Cinncy. These two teams are the wild cards of the bunch. It is very reasonable that either or both if given the opportunity could take a QB. That would leave Arizona out in the cold. With Denver not trading and Arizona wanting to move ahead of both Buffalo and Cinncy the logical and only partner would be the Panthers at #1.

The question then becomes what would Arizona have to give up. The draft value board lists the #1 pick at 3000 and the #5 at 1700 and #37 at 530, a total of 2230. Thats not that much to give up if the Panther want to trade down. For face value mabe the Cards would throw in a 5th or 6th rounder. Not much value but the Panthers would be able to say we got 3 picks in return.

The out come would probably look something like this:

1 - ARI Gabbert

2 - DEN Dereus

3 - BUF Newton

4 - CIN Green

5 - CAR Miller and Peterson still available

Of course Carolina is probably the most likey landing spot for Peterson outside of San Fran so Cinncy could very well trade up for him leaving only Miller and Green but IMO thats still great.

The Washington trade that someone else mentioned might work but I don't see anyone giving up or accepting 2012 picks. And the New England idea is interesting. It would equal the same amount of points as Arizona but I don't see NE wanting the top spot or giving that much up. And as someone else pointed out we really wouldn't gain that much as compared to the Arizona trade. In all honesty the 17th pick with all three 2nds would be more appealling from a team building standpoint. But sometimes quanity over value has hurt teams more than help (they feel like they have more room for error).

I think if there is any chance of a trade really happening it will come from Arizona IMO.

[davos]

I don't know if I want a USC QB, but since he's not a Carroll guy I'd take a look.

I won't be surprised to see Landri Jones from OU come out and I think he'll be good if we can't get Luck.

I've been saying around that I like Landry Jones even more than Luck. Call me crazy but depending on how next season works out, he could be sitting perfectly for us to grab him. He's already improved from 58.1% to 65.6% in one season, with an increase in YPA from 7.12 to 7.65. From 3200 to 4700 yds and 26 to 38 tds. I hate just looking towards stats but I've also watched him play multiple times and he's more than the Sooner system imo and he has a very bright future in the league.

My ideal trade scenario:

Trade with Buffalo: Our 1st overall for their 1st, 2nd, and next year's second (We won't be able to get two first out of it imo)

We draft Dareus, Peterson, or Green in the first.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Teams don't trade to pick a player at a spot, they trade to get infront of another team that they think will draft a player they want. So it is widely believed Denver wants Dereus. If another team wants Dereus they will need to trade ahead of Denver to get him.

Another team that most feel they know who they want is San Francisco and Patrick Peterson. And some have suggested Arizona wanting Gabbert. And there is a little talk about the Bills and Newton.

I think the best bet would be Arizona. Denver really does seem set and no one looks like they are willing or really able to trade up that high to jump infront of Denver for Dereus. They are just as likely to not trade as well.

Then there is Buffalo and Cinncy. These two teams are the wild cards of the bunch. It is very reasonable that either or both if given the opportunity could take a QB. That would leave Arizona out in the cold. With Denver not trading and Arizona wanting to move ahead of both Buffalo and Cinncy the logical and only partner would be the Panthers at #1.

The question then becomes what would Arizona have to give up. The draft value board lists the #1 pick at 3000 and the #5 at 1700 and #37 at 530, a total of 2230. Thats not that much to give up if the Panther want to trade down. For face value mabe the Cards would throw in a 5th or 6th rounder. Not much value but the Panthers would be able to say we got 3 picks in return.

The out come would probably look something like this:

1 - ARI Gabbert

2 - DEN Dereus

3 - BUF Newton

4 - CIN Green

5 - CAR Miller and Peterson still available

Of course Carolina is probably the most likey landing spot for Peterson outside of San Fran so Cinncy could very well trade up for him leaving only Miller and Green but IMO thats still great.

The Washington trade that someone else mentioned might work but I don't see anyone giving up or accepting 2012 picks. And the New England idea is interesting. It would equal the same amount of points as Arizona but I don't see NE wanting the top spot or giving that much up. And as someone else pointed out we really wouldn't gain that much as compared to the Arizona trade. In all honesty the 17th pick with all three 2nds would be more appealling from a team building standpoint. But sometimes quanity over value has hurt teams more than help (they feel like they have more room for error).

I think if there is any chance of a trade really happening it will come from Arizona IMO.

That is a common misconception. A lot of teams trade down to get players they want while acquiring more assets such as picks, players, etc... For example, the Panthers did that to acquire Jon Beason a few years ago.

[mountainpantherfan]

That is a common misconception. A lot of teams trade down to get players they want while acquiring more assets such as picks, players, etc... For example, the Panthers did that to acquire Jon Beason a few years ago.

Yeah, the Panthers traded down to exactly 27 (or whatever it was) because they knew for sure that Beason was going to be there. :sosp:

No, teams trade down because other teams are willing to pay the price to move up. And the reason team move up is to get ahead of another team.

No one knows how team's draft boards are set up. But I can tell you that teams don't trade away a pick because they like the same player as the other team but the compensation is enough for them to not care. If Carolina wants Gabbert and so does Arizona, Carolina isn't going to give up that pick just to pick up extra picks or get better value. They'er going to pick the player.

The reason teams trade down is usually because they have multiple players rated the same and feel that by trading down they will still be able to get a player they like.

The major misconception is that every team has every player rated the same. Some teams have better scouts than others, teams have different systems that require different values on positions, some teams meet with a player at the begining of the day at the combine and see him at his best and some are the last meeting, and some teams have a GM whose fathers name may have been Marcell and so he just likes that name.

Every draft board is different and that is the cause of trades.

But teams don't trade down to get a player. And the Panthers didn't do that with Beason.

[section543]

I think we all get caught up every year comparing players in the draft against other players in the draft. Truth is, I think many scouts have this draft weak at the top-only 2-4 studs, several with "upside" potential, then 40-50 solid prospects.

Given that, if you throw in teams' tendency to overvalue QB, and neither Gabbert or Newton considered "can't miss", a trade down could allow us to still get Peterson, Green or Dareus.

My question is, could we trade down twice- Still be in the top ten and add 2 #2's and additional picks somewhere- and still come out great? That could possibly give us Peterson (as low as #7 in some mocks), a great DT, J.Jones- with the first pick, then multiple picks rd 2 and 3 to add DT, CB, G, other depth.

This could be one of those drafts where #33 is as good as #4-10.

[Shermdog]

I would say the best trade scenario would involve trading the 1.1 to The bills for their 1st and second pick and their 1st in 2012. Then trading the 1.3 to Arizona for the 1.5 their 2nd rounder and their 1st next year. Then at 1.5 we take Patrick Peterson load up at DT in the 2nd, take Stanzi in the 3rd a guard with our 3rd round comp pick and then go with BPA until the 6th round where we take Bilol Powell and then Henery the K at the top of the 7th..... Its not going to happen but its nice to dream....

[Peppers90 NC]

what is the chance another one or two or three of these overdone threads will be created prior to draft day?

[Shermdog]

about as likely as another thread weighing the reasons that we should/'should not draft cam newton....