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[mav1234]

Would you do the same if Newton busts?

Hehe, I don't think Joat will be eating any crow if Newton busts.

[Bj-Monster23]

Skins paid Haynesworth twice that much...

You're going to have to pay whoever you pick now that it's pretty obvious the rookie wage scale won't be in place.

But you dont know if he is going to put up haynesworth numbers. And they thought with haynesworth been the type of game changer he was with the Titans they thought they would get the same person. But by them going 3-4 he wanted know part of it. Like i said before im going to be happy with who ever with pick as long as they can help us win.

[Jackofalltrades]

Good post.

I would only say that it isn't "ill informed", its simply a difference of opinion, one that we can discuss for years as we watch them play. I've actually watched every game Locker played in college (most more than once), and I feel he had some of the worse help in all of CFB in the past several years. There are virtually zero pro prospects on that Washington offense save for Locker, something you cannot say about Auburn. I'll bookmark this thread and we can return to it....which I will eat crow if Locker busts. Would you do the same if Newton busts?

No, I'm not saying Locker is a bust, as a matter of fact I think Newton will be the bust. I wouldn't have a problem with Locker rated ahead of Newton, even Mayock had it that way originally.

My point is, the reasons you listed are flawed. If you wanted to cite complexity of the offenses, Locker making more than one read, Locker not being a one year wonder then I'd be more inclined to agree, but your reasoning is just out of left field. Newton produced better numbers with a weak supporting cast in a far superior conference.

[mav1234]

But you dont know if he is going to put up haynesworth numbers. And they thought with haynesworth been the type of game changer he was with the Titans they thought they would get the same person. But by them going 3-4 he wanted know part of it. Like i said before im going to be happy with who ever with pick as long as they can help us win.

You can't avoid drafting a player because you're afraid he won't produce for what you're paying him. You avoid drafting a player if you don't think they'll produce enough period.

Money can't be a concern in this process...

[Sword]

Skins paid Haynesworth twice that much...

You're going to have to pay whoever you pick now that it's pretty obvious the rookie wage scale won't be in place.

and paying him that much was a classic synder mistake..

[KJDaniel31]

So you are okay with taking a DT number 1 and paying him 40 to 50 million who probably only average 5 to 6 sacks. I mean i have no problem with us taking dareus im a big fan of him as you can see. Going back to that National Championship game when he knocked Mccoy out I knew he was going to be a sure top 10 pick. I just dont know if the FO office comfortable with paying him that much.

I'm really not as interested in his sack totals as I am his ability to stop the run. We are in need of a good 2 way DT, and DTs rarely have good sack totals. It's not ideal, and if I have my choice I would much rather trade down, get some picks and take a WR, but the odds of that are low. I still think its smart to take the best football players and see what happens.

[Jackofalltrades]

But you dont know if he is going to put up haynesworth numbers. And they thought with haynesworth been the type of game changer he was with the Titans they thought they would get the same person. But by them going 3-4 he wanted know part of it. Like i said before im going to be happy with who ever with pick as long as they can help us win.

Agree completely, my point is that the potential contract shouldn't weigh into the decision. I'd rather dole out 50 million for a day one starter, pass rusher and run stuffer than a developmental QB who may or may not see the field this year- especially given the lock out.

[Jackofalltrades]

and paying him that much was a classic synder mistake..

Agree with part of that, paying him that much, bringing in a new coach and forcing him to play out of position was a Snyder mistake. I believe he would have been a beast again had they left him as a three.

[Sword]

Agree completely, my point is that the potential contract shouldn't weigh into the decision. I'd rather dole out 50 million for a day one starter, pass rusher and run stuffer than a developmental QB who may or may not see the field this year- especially given the lock out.

does hurney seem like a guy who doesn't factor in who/what position they are having to pay the money to? he was brought in as a salary cap guy..if we take another position and pay them QB money we are still going to have to pay QB money to an actual QB down the road

[Bj-Monster23]

I'm really not as interested in his sack totals as I am his ability to stop the run. We are in need of a good 2 way DT, and DTs rarely have good sack totals. It's not ideal, and if I have my choice I would much rather trade down, get some picks and take a WR, but the odds of that are low. I still think its smart to take the best football players and see what happens.

Fair Enough..

[TruCatzFan]

Kjdaniel31....

That was an amazing assessment!! I totally respect all the hard work you put into that post! I wish I could do something like that! My wife bitches anytime she even hears sports center on! It's on all the time btw...

Anyways bro, like I said AWESOME post and the fact that you didn't get 50 pieces of pie is COMPLETE and TOTAL bullshyit!!!!

People are gonna directly quote your hard work and dedication in other posts on this site but will give u NO respect and "knit pick" about the little things! It's becoming obvious that people hear like talking shut more than they like talking about football!

Awesome post and if I had pie I'd give u every piece my friend!!

[Jackofalltrades]

does hurney seem like a guy who doesn't factor in who/what position they are having to pay the money to? he was brought in as a salary cap guy..if we take another position and pay them QB money we are still going to have to pay QB money to an actual QB down the road

A lot of non QB's make QB money, Hurney was hired as a GM and has a cap guy.

You've got to take the BPA, not someone else because you may have to pay them differently.

We've got plenty of cap space.

[mav1234]

does hurney seem like a guy who doesn't factor in who/what position they are having to pay the money to? he was brought in as a salary cap guy..if we take another position and pay them QB money we are still going to have to pay QB money to an actual QB down the road

why exactly is a non-QB getting QB-money? It's not just about being drafted #1, it's the position as well.

plus, a lot of people fret about Bradford and he isn't even going to be one of the top 10 highest paid QBs in the league in a couple years.

on top of that there could be a rookie wage scale when the guy actually can sign.

[Sword]

why exactly is a non-QB getting QB-money? It's not just about being drafted #1, it's the position as well.

plus, a lot of people fret about Bradford and he isn't even going to be one of the top 10 highest paid QBs in the league in a couple years.

on top of that there could be a rookie wage scale when the guy actually can sign.

being 1st overall is going to command the same amount especially since we can negotiate a contract; sure we might take dareus if we could get him to take less then a number 1 might normally get but with the nonCBA we have no leverage like that..also i'm assuming 2010 rules are going to be in affect for this year just like the teams are unless a deal gets done saying otherwise.