most overrated panther

[Phil Dees]

It proves that I've posted stats, professional opinions, facts, etc. and all you've done is dispute my posts. Bring something factual to support your opinion and then you might have something worth reading.

Until you prove differently Dan Morgan was over-rated, as others have agreed with.

[Phil Dees]

Is that why TBR has had 6 threads posted on today while this board has had 20 so far?

Probably because real men dont have theads that discuss uniform colors, players gaining 2,400 lbs, the colors of the board, etc.

Childrens board.

[mountainpantherfan]

yeah you're right, mistake on my part.

that might have something to do with the fact his quarterbacks during that time were a combination of kyle orton, rex grossman, and brian griese in a football environment that doesn't favor passing. During his entire time in Chicago he never lived up to the hype he had when they signed him.

keyshawn's was 3 years at 16 million.

moose's was like 16 mil in the first three years with 12 mil guaranteed with an additional like 9 billion in performance based incentives.

regardless, the fact he didn't live up to ridiculous expectations in chicago with an awful supporting cast doesn't make him the most overrated player in franchise history. he leads the team in all time receptions, has had three thousand yard seasons, has been to the pro bowl twice, and is one of the best blocking WRs in the game.

Hey, I respect your opinion but I choose to stick by mine as well. I really like Moose, always have and always will, but I think the overall he was overrated as a reciever when he became a free agent in 2005.

To me any player that was signed by the Panther and ended up being a bust was probably overrated when they played for their previous team. By the time they got to Carolina everyone realized they were who they were the entire time.

I think we are coming from different perspectives. I'm looking at the question as who my the masses was overrated. To me, most fans and the front office we knew what Moose was great at and his value or rating. But to the media and other teams, namely the Bears, they overrated his abilities and what he actually was able to bring to another team.

[panthers55]

Hey, I respect your opinion but I choose to stick by mine as well. I really like Moose, always have and always will, but I think the overall he was overrated as a reciever when he became a free agent in 2005.

To me any player that was signed by the Panther and ended up being a bust was probably overrated when they played for their previous team. By the time they got to Carolina everyone realized they were who they were the entire time.

I think we are coming from different perspectives. I'm looking at the question as who my the masses was overrated. To me, most fans and the front office we knew what Moose was great at and his value or rating. But to the media and other teams, namely the Bears, they overrated his abilities and what he actually was able to bring to another team.

He was likely not worth the money that he was paid but given how well he performed this year once he came back suggests to me that the problem wasn't Moose it was Chicago's abysmal offense.

[mmmbeans]

Probably because real men dont have theads that discuss uniform colors, players gaining 2,400 lbs, the colors of the board, etc.

Childrens board.

does your pussy hurt?

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

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[Fiz]

It proves that I've posted stats, professional opinions, facts, etc. and all you've done is dispute my posts. Bring something factual to support your opinion and then you might have something worth reading.

Until you prove differently Dan Morgan was over-rated, as others have agreed with.

okay I was hoping you'd just kind of fade away on your own but i've got some time until my torrent is finished downloading so I'll go through and address the vapid points you thrown about all this thread.

this thread is about the most overrated player in panther history. generally people take overrated to mean that a player is held in higher regard than his stats would indicate. while you aren't the only person in this thread who has difficulty understanding that, you're by far the most irritating. you claim you've presented evidence supporting your claims, and i would counter that the evidence you've presented is completely meaningless.

let's start here.

I'll also say Dan Morgan.

During his prime he was consider "the most over-rated linebacker in the NFL"

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/StreetCred/2007/05/22/The_Most_Overrated_and_Underrated_Players_in_the_NFL

alright, so you typed dan morgan overrated into google and clicked on the third response. oh tell me street cred, what do you think about dan morgan.

When people think of the Panthers defense, they think of Peppers, Jenkins, and Morgan. The most tackles he has had in a season are 101.

i see. so while he acknowledges later on that morgan had an injury history, he holds the fact that he only had one 100+ tackle season in his career against him.

MIGHT THAT BE BECAUSE CUMULATIVE STATS ARE EFFECTED BY LESS PLAYING TIME? COULD THAT POSSIBLY BE A REASON YOU fuging IDIOT?

of course a better way of looking at this is 100 tackle seasons are the end all be all is how many tackles he averaged per game, and what that would have projected to if he had managed to play a 16 game season.

in every year except 2005, in which he had a bad year, and 2006 where he played about one snap, he was averaging over six tackles a game. that's damn good, and enough to break this mystical 100 tackle benchmark every single time.

He has 7 sacks and 5 interceptions in 56 games. He has never scored a defensive touchdown.

oh heavens no my middle linebacker hasn't made sacks or interceptions or touchdowns. fug the guy being able to diagram plays and call out defenses or get everyone into position i want poo i can see on ESPN because i'm a casual football fan who doesn't understand the nuances of the game wah wah wah.

Yet he made the Pro Bowl in 2004.

because he had an amazing year.

so that idiotic blog post aside, you follow it up with some of your own worthless analysis by trying and failing to preemptively break down an argument no one was going to make anyway because we're not stupid enough to think one game a career makes.

Problem is, that's just an old wife's tale ... it didn't happen.

of course it didn't. he recorded 18. no one had claimed he made 25.

I had the real total around here somewhere, but not going to look for it. I believe he had something like 11 tackles and a handful of assist, or something close to that.

he had 11 tackles and 7 assists, which is more than any other player in the game.

the man was all over the field. i'm not quite sure what you think you're proving by bringing up one of the best games a middle linebacker ever had in a superbowl.

The biggest problem with that game though was Brady, Branch, and Brown picking our ass apart across the middle. Morgan had to make tackles after allowing so many catches. Remember Brady had twice as many completions in that game as Jake, most of them across the middle.

yeah, heh, he wouldn't have made those tackles if he didn't have to!

Oh and......7 sacks IN HIS CAREER. LOL !

hmm, I wonder if this might be an extension of the defense he plays for.

but you're right. in fact, Beason doesn't even HAVE a sack yet! boy he really sucks! thank you for showing me the right.

D. Thomas had in ONE (1) game? I believe it was 6 wasn't it?

what in the world does a different player on a different team in a different system who played a different position have to do with dan morgan you fuging dipshit?

And some do. I've already posted 1 link that discussed it in detail.

So here's 1 more that is a national publication (CBS):

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10205109

So do you know more?

pete prisco, who is notoriously wrong no matter what he's talking about, wrote that after dan morgan had missed essentially all of 2006. how in the world can a player that made one tackle and blew out whatever it was he blew out that time be considered overrated? who was talking about him as good? were all the pundits closing their eyes and imagining him making that tackle and talking about how wonderful it was? Did chris draft put on a morgan jersey and masquerade out there?

what you don't seem to understand is that while on the field, Dan Morgan was one of the best in the game. per game statistics back that up, overwhelming observable evidence backs that up. you're pretty obviously confusing "disappointing" with "overrated."

it was disappointing that he couldn't stay healthy. he wasn't overrated because of it.

[Fiz]

mountainpantherfan you have no idea what you're talking about

[mountainpantherfan]

He was likely not worth the money that he was paid but given how well he performed this year once he came back suggests to me that the problem wasn't Moose it was Chicago's abysmal offense.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all. But if I remember correctly he also had his share of dropped passes that he has always had in Chicago as well. Seems to me I remember a post a longggggggg time ago by Dimbee where he was cursing Moose to no end.

I also agree with another post that stated that most Panther players go unnoticed most of the time and are not over, under or correctly rated by the media and fans. When they are noticed, the usually deserve the hype they recieve. Moose deserved some of the hype he recieved. Jake, Smith, Walls, Rucker, Morgan, ect. IMO have recieved either the actual respect due or were underrated. While I think Moose is the most overrated Panther he's no where close to some of the recent overrated players in the NFL like Adrian Peterson in Minny or Roy Williams (the safety) in Dallas or the most overrated player of all time Mike Vick.

[panther4life]

well well well, i've opened a pandoras box..i meant current but what the hell and umm seems as if some of u are confusing ovverrated with bust... my most overrated current panther thomas davis.....flame me, ban me do what u must but its true

[Fiz]

overrated players in the NFL like Adrian Peterson in Minny

3100 yards rushing at 5 ypc and 22 touchdowns in his first 2 nfl seasons with nothing resembling a passing game to take pressure off of him and ever defense specifically trying to shut him down.

yeah he's fuging overrated as hell

[phatpanther21]

Ricky Manning Jr... He just fell off the map...

[Scrumtrilescent]

Didn't look like a message board to me.

"Of course that's an opinion from a guy who's board advertises "Carolina Huddle is the world’s largest independent and most extreme NFL Carolina Panthers fan community."

When the facts are:

Huddle:

Threads = 10,393

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Active Members = 1762

Then there's TBR:

Threads = 120,457

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NOT EVEN CLOSE !!!

The facts are...before the crash, we had nearly 17k members, over 2.2 million posts in 4 or so years. With a high users active of ever online was 9,952, 03-31-2008 at 06:57 PM. When your good ole TBR kicks in at Most users ever online was 1,472, 01-01-09 at 10:29 PM...and the fact that at this moment CH has nearly 6x as many visitors as TBR. Must suck that a board that's been around for 2 less years gets more attention. And even after the restart, I won't do the math for ya to see the percentage of total users compared to active users...time for me to go do something more productive, like feed my pet rock.

[Fiz]

Ricky Manning Jr... He just fell off the map...

he kinda got screwed when they changed the rules for defensive backs.

i mean yeah i see what you mean, but it kinda sucks that he spent his entire life learning to play the game a way that was then made illegal.