Why did Rivera go for two?

[charlottenian]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=230914027

Anyone remember this?

THIS is why you go for two there, although there are other arguments that make sense as well.

Extra points aren't gimmes, especially with the field in the condition that it was in, so if Jacksonville had scored a TD, we could have still blocked the PAT. He made the right call, period.

A game 8 years ago is going to influence you today? I play the averages an taking 95% PAT vs. 40% two pts on a slick field is a no brainer

[razaki]

A game 8 years ago is going to influence you today? I play the averages an taking 95% PAT vs. 40% two pts on a slick field is a no brainer

I'm not suggesting that Rivera or anyone had that game on their mind, obviously.

I'm saying that being up 4 points, for all intents and purposes, was the same as being up 5. A touchdown beats us, period. Being up 6 gives the defense a chance to come up with a block, though, like the game that I referenced.

[Lord_Vader]

If he had enough confidence in his offense to go for 2 late in the game, he might as well have gone for 4th & 2 early in the game.

And the only thing after a different 4th & 2 decision that would have been the same in the game was the monsoon. The Gabbert pass at the end of the half, everything that happened in the 2nd half, forget about it. Every play would have been different if the 4th & 2 call had been different, so to judge this post based on what "did" happen is shortsighted.

If Ron had gone for that 4th & 2, showed he had confidence in an offense that's done fairly well this season, maybe Cam wakes up sooner, and the game isn't close.

If they didn't get it, there's no way of knowing if it would have been deflating for the defense or offense.

This is all about attitude. There's no way Belichick doesn't go for that 4th & 2 with a chance to kick Jax in the mouth. It's about showing who's boss, setting the tone. Several times today, Rivera was too "John Fox" like for my taste (e.g., running the ball straight into the line on 2nd & 3rd down on the Panthers' last drive and coming away with no points).

If you're going to go for that 2pt conversion, you should've gone for 4th & 2, also.

Guys this has nothing to do with attitude. The 4th and 2 or meteorites falling from space. It was strategy with the situation it was better to be up by 6 if possible. if by 4 a FG still does not beat you but a td does if by 5 a fg does not beat you but a td does if by 6 fg does not beat you nor does the 6 of the td and you can still keep it tied with a point block.

[Lord_Vader]

I'm not suggesting that Rivera or anyone had that game on their mind, obviously.

I'm saying that being up 4 points, for all intents and purposes, was the same as being up 5. A touchdown beats us, period. Being up 6 gives the defense a chance to come up with a block, though, like the game that I referenced.

DING DING DING you are right sir

[Mother Grabber]

I'm not suggesting that Rivera or anyone had that game on their mind, obviously.

I'm saying that being up 4 points, for all intents and purposes, was the same as being up 5. A touchdown beats us, period. Being up 6 gives the defense a chance to come up with a block, though, like the game that I referenced.

But that logic is taking a 40% chance to put yourself in a situation where you have a 5% chance of success.

You have a higher % chance of getting the game winning FG after they score the go ahead TD.

[Lord_Vader]

Also, on a slick field, an extra point isn't really a given for either team... hence going for 2 has some additional advantages in that situation.

conditions had nothing to do with it. strictly startegy

[bigdog10]

It didn't make much sense to me either, TBH

Had we missed it, we would have been up 14-10. j-ville goes down and scores a TD and then all we can do is tie with a FG vs.

[Mother Grabber]

Making the two point conversion and a missed/blocked PAT = a 2% chance of that scenario happening.

Making a PAT and then getting the game winning FG after a TD (having enough time, driving the field, making the kick). Even if you put those three events at 10%, you have a 9.5% chance of that scenario happening. Hell, put it at 5%, you're still at 4.5%, which is double the two point conversion scenario.

I'll take 9.5 over 2, thank you.

[PantherFanForLife]

IF you don't get the two then we're up only four and if Jax gets a TD then a FG only ties the game instead of giving you the W

May wanna check your math there. We win with a FG even if they get a TD and we only got 7.

the score was 10-8

8+7 = 15.

10+7 = 17.

The only way a FG only ties the game is if they also do a 2 point conversion to make it 18-10. Not sure if that was Rivera's thinking considering the circumstances.

Maybe the 2 FGs assumptions but ,why prepare ahead for 2 of our opponents offensive possessions! He must have had no faith in our team.

I really think it was because it gave a chance to block a FG. lol.

[Mother Grabber]

May wanna check your math there. We win with a FG even if they get a TD and we only got 7.

the score was 10-8

8+7 = 15.

10+7 = 17.

The only way a FG only ties the game is if they also do a 2 point conversion to make it 18-10. Not sure if that was Rivera's thinking considering the circumstances.

Maybe the 2 FGs assumptions but ,why prepare ahead for 2 of our opponents offensive possessions! He must have had no faith in our team.

I really think it was because it gave a chance to block a FG. lol.

He was talking about if we missed the two point conversion. Then it's only 8+6 = 14. Then a FG only ties.

[charlottenian]

May wanna check your math there. We win with a FG even if they get a TD and we only got 7.

the score was 10-8

8+7 = 15.

10+7 = 17.

The only way a FG only ties the game is if they also do a 2 point conversion to make it 18-10. Not sure if that was Rivera's thinking considering the circumstances.

Maybe the 2 FGs assumptions but ,why prepare ahead for 2 of our opponents offensive possessions! He must have had no faith in our team.

I really think it was because it gave a chance to block a FG. lol.

that was my argument, we don't take the 2pts, kick the pat and be up by 5, even if Jax scores a TD we could still win the game with a FG or tie even if Jax converts a 2pt attempt

[Mother Grabber]

that was my argument, we don't take the 2pts, kick the pat and be up by 5, even if Jax scores a TD we could still win the game with a FG or tie even if Jax converts a 2pt attempt

This is the right play, playing the percentages. If something freaky happens, so be it. You put yourself in the best position.

[Lord_Vader]

Making the two point conversion and a missed/blocked PAT = a 2% chance of that scenario happening.

Making a PAT and then getting the game winning FG after a TD (having enough time, driving the field, making the kick). Even if you put those three events at 10%, you have a 9.5% chance of that scenario happening. Hell, put it at 5%, you're still at 4.5%, which is double the two point conversion scenario.

I'll take 9.5 over 2, thank you.

and its 100% chance you are a re-tard:cam:

[Lord_Vader]

This is the right play, playing the percentages. If something freaky happens, so be it. You put yourself in the best position.

This did put them in the best shape to win. this wasn't done in the 1=2=3 quarter but with 4 mins left on the clock. You are assuming the Jags score and leave enough time for a posession. you play for the block xp

I give up you guys are beating a dead horse we won.:cheers2: