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Pantherball Newbie

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uhm... No, I don't think our QB "did fugup today." The offense as a whole stalled when it shouldn't have but he put the team in a position to tie... woulda been a position to win but a foul away from the ball cost us that chance.

Can't complain about Cam today... Am not all that happy with Chud again... This offense makes me feel moody.

So even if you ignore his playing in the 4th, inability to finish..... not even fumbles are considered fug-ups anymore?

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Exactly. No matter how poorly the offense played in the second half, they played well enough to get into field goal range for a chance to win in overtime. I dont think its unreasonable to be mad at our new 4 million dollar kicker for missing a high school range field goal.

As long as you're also mad at the holding penalty, and mad at the 14 POINTS GIVEN TO MINNESOTA off of turnovers, otherwise, people who know a thing or two about cause and effect will continue to think that you're a "fool".

Cam's words, not mine.

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None of the above.

Simple: fix it!

Other than that I couldn't tell you.

I have my opinion, and will say this much: with each passing week you can see our QB RUNNING this damn team more and more. His influence and the OC's influence is much more felt than that of our coach. All I know is you normally go to the top and ask that question and in this case our top is Cam Newton, but that's only because our coach is flying so low under the radar and hiding under his QB's shadow you need a metal detector to find him.

And that's never a good thing. So ask Rivera. He's around there somewhere.

Wow. What are you basing the opinion that Cam is running the team on?

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Exactly. No matter how poorly the offense played in the second half, they played well enough to get into field goal range for a chance to win in overtime. I dont think its unreasonable to be mad at our new 4 million dollar kicker for missing a high school range field goal.

So let me see if I understand you correctly....

...the 1 try our kicker had to tie the game and missed was worse and more important than the 3 tries Cam and this offense had to win the game just before that and also missed?

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None of the above.

Simple: fix it!

Other than that I couldn't tell you.

I have my opinion, and will say this much: with each passing week you can see our QB RUNNING this damn team more and more. His influence and the OC's influence is much more felt than that of our coach. All I know is you normally go to the top and ask that question and in this case our top is Cam Newton, but that's only because our coach is flying so low under the radar and hiding under his QB's shadow you need a metal detector to find him.

And that's never a good thing. So ask Rivera. He's around there somewhere.

So, how does Rivera 'fix it' as you are implying he needs help.

I mean too, he might be looking for coaching help, have your resume handy?

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I think the offense can get a little overzealous sometimes. Cam took a shot into the endzone which resulted in an incomplete pass to Olsen. There was no reason to take a shot into the endzone from that far out with that much time on the clock.

That's happened all season. Every game. That's how they lost to Green Bay and Arizona back to back weeks. Not just at the end of the games, but throughout.

The most pivotal play in that last drive was the holding call. Without that, the Panthers have 1st and Goal with over 30 seconds left and two timeouts, to win it in Regulation.

Steve Smith FORCED the officials to call that penalty because the defender was between him and Newton, instead of Smitty's back being to Cam. Not sure the official would have called it if the defender hadn't been trying to "pull away" based on the angle.

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So, how does Rivera 'fix it' as you are implying he needs help.

I mean too, he might be looking for coaching help, have your resume handy?

I don't know dude, why are you asking me? Send him a letter. I'm not a coach, so my resume is going other places, but if this keeps up, I'd be worrying about his resume.

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So, how does Rivera 'fix it' as you are implying he needs help.

I mean too, he might be looking for coaching help, have your resume handy?

He can start by identifying it as a problem, since the first step in problem solving is accurately defining the problem.

Not sure he thinks it is, since they've been doing it all year, and he keeps chalking everything up as a long-term "growing process" instead of specific issues that need to be corrected and can be corrected.

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So even if you ignore his playing in the 4th, inability to finish..... not even fumbles are considered fug-ups anymore?

uhh, are you talking about the two strips that Allen had? Because if so, those are as much a credit to Allen making a damn good play as a negative to Jordan Gross, and there's very little a QB can do when he loads to fire at the top of his drop and gets the ball batted away because Gross got beat.

Not to mention, in this game, Cam coulda finished, and he got us in position to tie it at least. Not his fault Smitty got called for "holding."

Sure Cam made some mistakes, but I don't think it was his play that caused Allen to strip him.

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As long as you're also mad at the holding penalty, and mad at the 14 POINTS GIVEN TO MINNESOTA off of turnovers, otherwise, people who know a thing or two about cause and effect will continue to think that you're a "fool".

Cam's words, not mine.

The game should have never been that close because of the piss poor offense in the second half and the points on turnovers. That game should have been well in hand early in the 4th quarter. The fact is that is wasn't in hand but we had a shot at overtime with a chip shot field goal and the kicker blew it. It seems anytime a kicker blows a clutch field goal the response is always "that one play didn't lose the game". I guess I am a "fool" because he lost the game on that kick.

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The game should have never been that close because of the piss poor offense in the second half and the points on turnovers. That game should have been well in hand early in the 4th quarter. The fact is that is wasn't in hand but we had a shot at overtime with a chip shot field goal and the kicker blew it. It seems anytime a kicker blows a clutch field goal the response is always "that one play didn't lose the game". I guess I am a "fool" because he lost the game on that kick.

And everything that occurred before the kick is a fact, therefore, anyone who thinks the missed kick is more important than all of the other plays, is a fool. I haven't once said it wasn't important, just that it's not the end all be all that the "WHICH ONE PERSON DO I FIND TO BLAME" people think it is.

In the grand scheme of things, the game was actually lost when the Vikings scored 14 points off of turnovers, since they didn't do much else offensively outside of that, and probably wouldn't have even reached 20 points today without the turnovers since they offense didn't do much without turnovers.

You can keep trying to find ONE PERSON TO BLAME if it makes the world understandable to you. You still fail.

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Could've should've would've mav. He didn't do it. Smith held maybe because Cam ran it himself but there were opportunities before that. We get called on holding more than anyone else because Cam hangs on to the ball more than anyone else. He had a chance prior to that too...a drive before the Vikings went up by 3. We went 3 and out. He could have put it away then.

Remember when we were just talking about prior to the game about how he needs to learn how to adjust to the speed of the defenses in the 4th and let that ball out quicker? That was still happening today. Fumbles were partly a result of this.

None of these things are getting fixed. I see them every week. When I see repeated mistakes, to me, you go to the coach. When you ask them and they still continue you have to wonder if they are being allowed. Where's the since of urgency?

Once again, I see the other sides of our team improving each week and I see this offense and Cam stagnating and repeating the same mistakes.

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And everything that occurred before the kick is a fact, therefore, anyone who thinks the last play is more important than all of the other plays, is a fool.

In the grand scheme of things, the game was actually lost when the Vikings scored 14 points off of turnovers, since they didn't do much else offensively outside of that, and probably wouldn't have even reached 20 points today without the turnovers since they offense didn't do much without turnovers.

You can keep trying to find ONE PERSON TO BLAME if it makes the world understandable to you. You still fail.

Whatever you say man. I don't keep my head in the sand though. The kicker blew the play that mattered most.

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