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Should Tebow success get under Cam's skin

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teeray Rookie

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And there's you being ignorant again. The game was tied and Kasay muffed a kick out of bounds which gave New England the ball at the 40 yard line and scored a FG before the time ran out. Had nothing to do with Delhomme. Had everything to do with a kicker who was NOT CLUTCH. And he did the same poo against St. Louis. Which is what eventually put Delhomme in a 3rd and 14 in our own end of the field to hit Smith for the winning score in double over time. Delhomme never got the ball again. Kasay was the last person to touch the ball and fuged it up.

Yeah Kasey muffed the kick. But if Jake converts either one of those two point conversions in the fourth quarter the game ending field goal would have only tied it. That is on Jake by your Cam logic isn't it??

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I don't actually get my facts from ESPN. I don't even watch them. The only reason I know they talk about us is because people on this site seem to link a new article about Cam every week from them.

But I do know that you are literally the only fan I have spoken to who thinks Cam is the reason the Panthers are losing games. Congratulations... you are a unique :)

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I don't actually get my facts from ESPN. I don't even watch them. The only reason I know they talk about us is because people on this site seem to link a new article about Cam every week from them.

But I do know that you are literally the only fan I have spoken to who thinks Cam is the reason the Panthers are losing games. Congratulations... you are a unique :)

Really that's funny. I just saw you arguing earlier in the day with another one that thought the same thing.

And perhaps that's why I'm right a lot. I know when to jump off the crazy train. You still ride it out till it crashes.

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You want to know why YPP is misleading?? If you took away Chicago's non-offensive TDs they would move from 3rd in YPP to a tie at 16th with Arizona.

Yet some people don't realize this and still think it is an offensive efficiency stat.

I think that pretty much sums up why it isn't. When defense and special teams TDs ,which have nothing to do with the offense, can inflate a number that takes you from top 3 to 16th. You can't say it is an accurate offensive efficiency stat.

And that just proved it.

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Really that's funny. I just saw you arguing earlier in the day with another one that thought the same thing.

I took his argument more to be "Cam is nothing special, The Golden Calf of Bristol is something very special," rather than "Cam Newton is losing you games."

Either way, most of us are able to look at this team and see much bigger holes than what we have at QB. I am not sure why you have such trouble with that, but this debate is old and boring... we both know we won't convince the other, so I think we should just stop.

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How about this if you still aren't convinced. If Mare had made all of his field goals and extra points and our defense and special teams had as many TDs as Chicago.

Our YPP would be ranked 10th at 14.3.

So basically depending on how your defense and special teams are padding your YPP we could be anywhere from 25th to 10th.

Is that not a wide range to try and call any stat truly accurate to what is happening on the field??

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You want to know why YPP is misleading?? If you took away Chicago's non-offensive TDs they would move from 3rd in YPP to a tie at 16th with Arizona.

Yet some people don't realize this and still think it is an offensive efficiency stat.

I think that pretty much sums up why it isn't. When defense and special teams TDs ,which have nothing to do with the offense, can inflate a number that takes you from top 3 to 16th. You can't say it is an accurate offensive efficiency stat.

And that just proved it.

You still have no idea how YPP works. You also have trouble understanding scoring offense. You have a hard time understanding the fact that when a defensive player grabs an interception, he is considered part of that team's scoring offense. He's an offensive player for that play. Most people who understand YPP, understand that. They understand interceptions taken down for a score improve a total team's offensive efficiency.

They also understand that only helps an offense, but it doesn't compare to the impact an offense has over its own efficiency. A turnover: a stalled drive due to penalties, whether a 3 and out, on downs, interception, fumble or a punt is the only thing that can make you an inefficient offense.

The only thing that can drop you under 15.67 ypp, which is average, which is also 100% efficiency, is your own offense. Lots of things can make you more efficient. Only your offense can make you less than 100% efficient.

That's the middle point. That's where YPP starts. At 100%. There are a lot of things that can make you rank better than 100% or 15.67ypp. A PAT for example gives you 7 points which equals 14.28ypp. Now you are above 100%. But only the offense can make you rank lower than 100%. That's how you know it's the offense's fault. The only way to rank lower than 15.67 is when a part of your "REAL" offense fugs up somehow. The only way to get back to 100% or over 100% is with help from the other side of your team.

This is the part your don't understand. That's why it's the best measurement of an offense's efficiency.

And the other part you fail to also understand is that a YPP ranking by itself doesn't tell you who the true "most efficient offense is" just like no NFL ranking really does. It only tells you who is most efficient according to their schedule and according to all the help they have received, or their "total scoring offense"(all sides of the teams that played offense for that game or that seasons, combined). Schedule has as big an impact as this as any other stat in the league.

But it does tell you who is not efficient. You can have a team with an inefficient offense rank higher than 15.67 on that list with enough help from the defense or special teams offense. You cannot have an efficient offense rank LOWER! It's impossible.

So yes if you take away a team's defensive scores, defensive takeaways, as well as special teams help, as well as schedule help and they rank at 15.67 they have a 100% efficient offense. And they are one of the best in the league. Because that means they get no help from anybody, and travel the full 100% yards for a touchdown on every single drive. That's what that would mean. It would mean that offense starts at the 1 inch yard line, and they score a touchdown on every single drive. And that would certainly tie you for having the most efficient offense in the league every time. If you also happen to have a good special teams offense, or good help from your defense you can rank higher. But you can never rank lower than 15.67 ypp, or be less than 100% efficient, without your "REAL" offense screwing up.

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