Panthers helmet outside the combine interview room

[CatMan72]

...but I would love to know why you think the CDC would recommend you wear light-colored clothes to help avoid heat related illnesses, since according to you the color of your clothes is irrelevant.

[Cat'sGrowl]

:lol: And yet you still haven't provided any evidence that the logic works? Why do other teams not employ their white jerseys so heavily? Why is there no evidence to support your claims? If you believe it so, then why can't you support it?

Not that I expect to get a real answer. Hopefully I get the CDC response. That's a classic. "But the CDC said black is hotter!!"

Please, continue your insults. Until then everything you say is just mindless dribble.

[Cat'sGrowl]

...but I would love to know why you think the CDC would recommend you wear light-colored clothes to help avoid heat related illnesses, since according to you the color of your clothes is irrelevant.

Oh God yes I knew it. There before I even got a chance to ask! That's efficiency!

[CatMan72]

:lol: And yet you still haven't provided any evidence that the logic works? Why do other teams not employ their white jerseys so heavily? Why is there no evidence to support your claims? If you believe it so, then why can't you support it?

Not that I expect to get a real answer. Hopefully I get the CDC response. That's a classic. "But the CDC said black is hotter!!"

Please, continue your insults. Until then everything you say is just mindless dribble.

I posted a link to the CDC website with a quote about how you should wear light-colored clothing to avoid heat related illnesses.

What evidence to the contrary have you posted?

(this gets more absurd by the minute)

[CatMan72]

Oh God yes I knew it. There before I even got a chance to ask! That's efficiency!

So the CDC is wrong?

[cdandi1]

So here is some research conducted about heat and clothing colors...

Accession Number : AD0263355

Title : EFFECT OF CLOTHING COLOR ON SOLAR HEAT LOAD

Corporate Author : QUARTERMASTER RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING COMMAND NATICK MA

Personal Author(s) : Breckenridge, J. R. ; Pratt, R. L.

PDF Url : AD0263355

Report Date : JUN 1961

Pagination or Media Count : 21

Abstract : Solar heat loads on seated subjects, wearing hot-weather uniforms in various colors, were determined during a series of 30 three-hour experiments in the desert near Yuma, Arizona. Black and white uniforms were compared during one summer, green and khaki during the next. The conclusions were derived from sweat evaporation data in sun and shade, assuming that evaporative heat loss e aled the total heat load. The calculated solar heat loads were 145-kg-cal/hr and 92 kgcal/hr for black and white uniforms, and 113 kgcal/hr an 92 kg-cal/hr for green and khaki. In terms of the total heat load on the man, the differences with color represented increases of only 17% for black over white, and 7% for green over khaki. The white uniform had much less advantage than fabric reflectance measurements would indicate, possibly because multiple reflections in the vicinity of folds and creases increased the amount of radiation absorbed.

Descriptors : *COLORS, *CLOTHING, *HEAT TOLERANCE, REFLECTION, PHYSIOLOGY, DESERT TESTS, PERSPIRATION, SUN, ABSORPTION, EVAPORATION

Subject Categories : ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY

So basically, this confirms that white reflects more sunlight/heat than black (by 17%) and that the white's percentage would be higher is it were not for folds in the uniform. The folds trapped reflected heat. NFL jersey's are very tight, meaning no folds, meaning that percentage (17) would be higher because there are not any folds to trap reflected heat.

/thread.

[Cat'sGrowl]

This is embarrassing CatMan. I've tried to defend some of your ridiculous posting in the past, but the fact that you've so obviously seen the flaw in your argument and instead elected to make the conversation about something totally irrelevant is just pitiful. I hope you don't approach your life this way... It's just a pathetic way to live...

If you continue to dodge the issue at hand, how can you justify mentally your ridiculous responses? It is just cowardice of conceding that you were in err? I promise, I'm not one to rub anything in.

[Cat'sGrowl]

So here is some research conducted about heat and clothing colors...

So basically, this confirms that white reflects more sunlight/heat than black (by 17%) and that the white's percentage would be higher is it were not for folds in the uniform. The folds trapped reflected heat. NFL jersey's are very tight, meaning no folds, meaning that percentage (17) would be higher because there are not any folds to trap reflected heat.

/thread.

My God thank you. Exactly proves what I've said-there is zero evidence to support that white jerseys are beneficial over blacks, and, more importantly, we now have yet another reason why.

[cdandi1]

:leaving:

[Cat'sGrowl]

:leaving:

Yeah I interpreted a certain part wrong. The issue I wish it would have addressed, and if you can find something wherever you got that, I'd be thankful-is my *core* issue-is there any link behind jersey color and on field performance?

Not one person has stated that the color black isnt hotter-that's just CatMan's cop out argument-the root matter is this- Is there any evidence to suggest on field performance is debiliated in any noticeable way? There obviously, is not.

[cdandi1]

Basically, the research pdf was researching army fatigues...so there is not direct correlation to jersey color and team performance..DIRECTLY. One could argue, in an indirect fashion, that that the color may cause someone to sweat faster..therefore losing nutrients faster, which i guess could ultimately effect performance....indirectly. but I'am not the researcher.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Basically, the research pdf was researching army fatigues...so there is not direct correlation to jersey color and team performance..DIRECTLY. One could argue, in an indirect fashion, that that the color may cause someone to sweat faster..therefore losing nutrients faster, which i guess could ultimately effect performance....indirectly. but I'am not the researcher.

Valid, but, if a player is replenishing (Gatorade anyone?) what he loses as quickly as he loses it, is there any further limitations? What I'm saying, is that there isn't any apparent evidence to say there is.

I've had a white and black jersey before, and it just comes to the point where it's irrelevant. It's what you did the week before, the night before, the hours before, that start to count.

[cdandi1]

Valid, but, if a player is replenishing (Gatorade anyone?) what he loses as quickly as he loses it, is there any further limitations? What I'm saying, is that there isn't any apparent evidence to say there is.

I've had a white and black jersey before, and it just comes to the point where it's irrelevant. It's what you did the week before, the night before, the hours before, that start to count.

Yeah, one would think that..if you sweat more you just have to replenish it more frequently. With players having access to IV's now..during halftime and such..there would probably need extensive research to prove or disprove jersey color. I, for one, don't have the money, time, resources, or education to conduct one..so I guess we'll never know.

[KillerKat]

sounds like a job for mythbusters...someone post this on their message board quick!