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Winning it all....


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Fandom comes in all shapes and sizes with all kind of fans. Bandwagon fans while not as diehard or as loyal as those who stick it out through the lean times are still fans and embraced by the team while they last. Most fans of any popular college team in any state didn't actually go there. When I lived in Pennsylvania it was Penn State, in Kentucky obviously it was Kentucky, here it is mostly State, Carolina, and Duke. It is the same anywhere you go.

Everyone has a definition of what a true fan really is and they vary a lot. Just like people on the huddle could call you a "Johnny come lately" because you weren't here 5 years ago. Doesn't change the validity of your arguments or make you any less of a Huddle fan.

just sayin...........

This...

Of course I went to UNC, so I guess I'm allowed to be a fan? By the way, what school do you have to attend before you can be a Panther fan?...

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I have been a fan of the Hurricanes since they came to North Carolina in 1997. I was so stoked to have a professional hockey team. I was fortunate enough to watch them win the Stanley Cup, and lose in the Stanley cup finals. Went to a game in each of those series'. It made winning it all better having watched them lose the 1st time. I have also been a fan of the Gators since I was born. Of course, I've been fortunate enough to watch them win 3 National Championships. I finally got to go to the BCS National Championship this past year when we beat Oklahoma.

Now it's time for the Panthers to win one. That would make my life complete. I also haven't watched the Blue Jays win one since I have been cheering for them.

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Fandom comes in all shapes and sizes with all kind of fans. Bandwagon fans while not as diehard or as loyal as those who stick it out through the lean times are still fans and embraced by the team while they last. Most fans of any popular college team in any state didn't actually go there. When I lived in Pennsylvania it was Penn State, in Kentucky obviously it was Kentucky, here it is mostly State, Carolina, and Duke. It is the same anywhere you go.

Right, which is why I said a couple of pages ago (and on this one) that if you grew up in the area, it would make sense to be a fan of the said school. Never said you HAD to go to that particular college to be a fan. If that were the case, I would be a hypocrite since I am a Wake Forest fan (grew up in Winston Salem) but attended and also am a fan of UNC Charlotte. I just don't understand the idea of picking whatever team is winning and then saying 'We" this and "We" that. It's just funny that you see a lot of people who are UNC or Duke basketball fans that are a fan of some other big name school in football that's not local beacuse they're obviously picking a frontrunner. That goes for people in or out of the state.

Everyone has a definition of what a true fan really is and they vary a lot. Just like people on the huddle could call you a "Johnny come lately" because you weren't here 5 years ago. Doesn't change the validity of your arguments or make you any less of a Huddle fan.

just sayin...........

You're right but the difference is that I don't care one way or the other if someone from this board says that, because I know that it's not legit. I've been a Panther fan since I knew what football was. I really don't care what some yahoo from a message board thinks of my fan status nor do I expect them to care what I think. As you can tell from reading through this thread though, some people are a bit more sensitive. :)

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I had a great streak of team success when I was a kid, but pickings have been slim for quite awhile now. I was a Baltimore Colts fan, and though they came up just short quite a few times (those darned Packers were always in the way), they always seemed to be in the hunt when the GREATEST PLAYER TO EVER LACE 'EM UP, JOHNNY U, took the field! I've always liked Penn State football. The Orioles were great as well, and I liked UCLA and the Celtics in basketball. The Colts left me when they moved to Indy. I like the 'Skins, but the 'Cats are the ones I follow exclusively nowdays. I still root for PSU, and Va Tech (I have a kid going there). In fact, I don't really follow basketball much, more college now than pros, and only at tourney time. Baseball? It's OK, I follow the careers of all the home grown talent that is in the Major Leagues more than I follow a team.

We can win a championship here. We need some 'tude on defense, and some imagination of offense, and we'll be fine. I would guarantee a championship if they'd make me coach, but I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon!

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says the guy throwing around the term "walmart fan" and using urban dictionary as a source to back him up.

You do know that Wal-Mart fan is a slang term right, and not in Funk and Wagnalls? I don't know what other "source" you would want me to cite that shows the definition. You know what it means and are being ignorant. If you want to find out more you can google walmart fan + unc. You'll find plenty of info. that will help you "learn". Now will you quit following me around like some kind of stalker?

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You do know that Wal-Mart fan is a slang term right, and not in Funk and Wagnalls? I don't know what other "source" you would want me to cite that shows the definition. You know what it means and are being ignorant. If you want to find out more you can google walmart fan + unc. You'll find plenty of info. that will help you "learn". Now will you quit following me around like some kind of stalker?

you can't explain it but its so simple

got it

and hey brainiac. I cannot "know what it means" and "be ignorant" at the same time.

thanks for educating us today clownboi. I look forward to the next time you try to justify made up bullshit with other made up bullshit

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you can't explain it but its so simple

got it

and hey brainiac. I cannot "know what it means" and "be ignorant" at the same time.

thanks for educating us today clownboi. I look forward to the next time you try to justify made up bullpoo with other made up bullpoo

Sorry, I mistyped....it should have read "You know what it means and are PLAYING the "ignorant" role. I know that as a message board troll it's one of your favorite mechanisms in any discussion, along with the "I'm the victim" card, calling childish names and throwing out personal attacks, and the internet tough guy rhetoric. I'm impressed that you can keep all of those facets balanced on a daily basis.

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Sorry, I mistyped....it should have read "You know what it means and are PLAYING the "ignorant" role. I know that as a message board troll it's one of your favorite mechanisms in any discussion, along with the "I'm the victim" card, calling childish names and throwing out personal attacks, and the internet tough guy rhetoric. I'm impressed that you can keep all of those facets balanced on a daily basis.

I am glad that you are impressed.

I guess calling someone a troll is alright in your eyes since you think I am one for some reason. It doesn't bother me. That is kind of the way I went about labeling you in some spots btw.

Poking fun at someones fandom is really dumb. You are not the judge and jury for anyone as far as this goes. In asking you a simple series of questions it was clear that you were just throwing around cute terms and trying to be rude and look superior. Maybe that is how you feel better about yourself. One day when you grow up you will learn that you don't need to look at where someone else buys their gear to make you feel better about yourself. And also you will not need to judge the family history and census data of a person to validate what kind of fan you are.

..or maybe you won't.

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