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Stats don't make you proven. If you look at NFL.com annually, you'll often find the QBs at the top of the stat lists are also guys who missed the playoffs.

What does that have to do with whether a QB is proven or not? There are plenty of QBs who were good/proven but stuck on poo teams.

As to the "hater" tag, I know there's a fair amount of Bear hate on this forum, but I'm not one of the people that's in on it. You're pulling a bit of a persecution complex here. There are things I like about the Bears (Lovie Smith and Matt Forte, for example) but Cutler isn't one of them.

Hardly pulling any persecution complex. LOL. Just pointing out that ever since the day the trade was announced, you've been poopooing it and calling him the next Jeff George. How would you categorize that? Considering that in George's 13 (or however many) seasons, he never had a season that even matched Cutler's 3rd season in the league.

Bottom Line: You believe Cutler is the Bears savior. Truthfully, given what they gave up to get him, he'd better be. Me? I'm not convinced. When the season rolls around, we'll see.

Savior? No, I haven't said that. What I believe is he is a young, very talented QB who has shown that he can produce at the NFL level and I'm excited about the Bears hitching the wagon to him long term.

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I'm satisfied with the trade, you have to give to get.

And yes, the Bears gave up a lot, but in order to get a young, talented QB like Cutler that is what it takes.

Savior, hardly.

Does his presence under center make the Bears better? Without a doubt. Does it change the fact that they still need help in other areas, no. A savior would make everything ok, and no one player makes everything ok. He is a tremendous upgrade at the most important position on the field.

Kyle Orton is a good guy, an average QB, and no longer a Bear, so I really don't care what he does anymore.

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What does that have to do with whether a QB is proven or not? There are plenty of QBs who were good/proven but stuck on poo teams.

Hardly pulling any persecution complex. LOL. Just pointing out that ever since the day the trade was announced, you've been poopooing it and calling him the next Jeff George. How would you categorize that? Considering that in George's 13 (or however many) seasons, he never had a season that even matched Cutler's 3rd season in the league.

Savior? No, I haven't said that. What I believe is he is a young, very talented QB who has shown that he can produce at the NFL level and I'm excited about the Bears hitching the wagon to him long term.

If a guy hasn't shown he can be clutch in the playoffs, I don't accept him as proven, regardless of whether his not getting to the playoffs is his team's fault more than his.

Again, stats look nice on a stats sheet. They can be used in debates, but they're largely useless when discussing how good a guy could be in a playoff game he's never played in.

And as to Cutler, if you look back you'll see I disliked him long before he was traded to the Bears.

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Tony Dungy has a take too.

PFT: Dungy questions Cutler's maturity

Consider Tony Dungy officially skeptical about Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler, raising questions about his attitude and his game.

The normally low-key former Indianapolis Colts coach was critical of Cutler’s maturity and leadership during a conference call to announce that Dungy and Rodney Harrison have been hired for NBC’s Sunday night studio program, according to Fred Mitchell of the Chicago Tribune.

Dungy woudn’t even proclaim that Cutler is the best quarterback in the NFC North.

“That remains to be seen,” Dungy said. “He is a very talented guy who can throw the ball very well. But quarterbacking is so much about leadership and so much about doing things under pressure. There is going to be a lot of pressure on him. …

“We’ll see about his maturity level. That’s what I would question. And some of the things that happened leading to him leaving Denver that would concern me as a head coach. He can make all of the throws, but quarterbacking is much more than just making throws.”

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Would you say he was a "proven" QB in his day?

Will it help you feel better about Jay Cutler?

(that is what you're looking for here, right?)

To be brutally honest, regardless of what I have to say about him, comparing Cutler to Archie Manning at this point in his career is a stretch Mister Fantastic would have trouble with.

The only thing they have in common is not competing on the big stage, but Manning was at it a lot longer than Cutler has been at this point. And no, Manning wasn't tried in the playoff fire (never even came close) so it's impossible to say that he would have been just as good in the postseason. You can theorize, but ultimately it's just "what ifs".

I've already said I'm not convinced Cutler will be worth what was given up to get him. You believe he will be. In the season to come (and future seasons) we'll see what happens.

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Will it help you feel better about Jay Cutler?

(that is what you're looking for here, right?)

To be brutally honest, regardless of what I have to say about him, comparing Cutler to Archie Manning at this point in his career is a stretch Mister Fantastic would have trouble with.

Where did I compare the 2 (and I knew that would be your reply)? You're the one who said, "If a guy hasn't shown he can be clutch in the playoffs, I don't accept him as proven, regardless of whether his not getting to the playoffs is his team's fault more than his." Well, Archie Manning never made it to the playoffs. Thus my question as to whether he is "proven" in your book or not. I would assume that in your estimation, using that quantification, that he is not.

:willy_nilly:

Your "voice of reason" is losing credibility :smilewinkgrin:

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Originally Posted by dimbee View Post

I wonder what is Mr Scots opinion of Archie Manning's career?

Nothing?

Archie was a great QB surrounded by a poo team. Cutler doesn't have that problem as long as he has the heart to handle it...

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Where did I compare the 2 (and I knew that would be your reply)? You're the one who said, "If a guy hasn't shown he can be clutch in the playoffs, I don't accept him as proven, regardless of whether his not getting to the playoffs is his team's fault more than his." Well, Archie Manning never made it to the playoffs. Thus my question as to whether he is "proven" in your book or not. I would assume that in your estimation, using that quantification, that he is not.

:willy_nilly:

Your "voice of reason" is losing credibility :smilewinkgrin:

If you say so :rolleyes:

You asked my opinion of Manning, and I gave it. But we both know the whole point of your argument is to make Cutler sound better, in this case by attacking my opinion. If the mental gymnastics of it all helps you feel better about Cutler, or about your own football knowledge, have at it.

However, since Tony Dungy has essentially the same take I do, and Dungy isn't just a fan like you or me, I'm wondering if you have a better response for Tony's stance than "I read that two days ago".

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