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Am I going crazy/Strange Concerns... (Prepping)


Kurb

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Lol, watch there be a surge in doomsday prepping nationwide now...

With a hit zombie show on now, a couple of zombie movies, virus reports/movies, and shows like Doomsday Preppers, people are gonna start getting paranoid. Case and point, this thread.

My question is, what exactly are you preparing for?

Better question what are you preparing for?

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Guest Tom Cat

ummm...been in the business my whole life! I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about!

You realize the fukushima reactors blew up because they didnt get adequate cooling water because their emergency generators flooded , electrical gear was flooded and they couldnt run their pumps, right?

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yes I realize that...the original statement was that these facilities are designed to safe themselves in the event of a power outage...we didn't discuss abnormal situations like flooding, terrorism and other catastrophic failures. My comment was aimed at total power failure only

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it is near a fault line

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The Brunswick plant is built near a fault line that runs along the Carolinas coast from Charleston, S.C.,Hughes says.

http://www.bizjourna...lt-on-same.html

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Almost 25 General Electric-designed nuclear reactors in the United States are very similar to reactors in Japan threatened with a catastrophic meltdown.

The 23 American reactors in 13 states are GE boiling-water reactors with GE's Mark I systems for containing radioactivity, the same containment system used by the reactors in trouble at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, according to a Nuclear Regulatory Commission database that MSNBC accessed.

In addition, 12 American reactors in seven states have the later Mark II or Mark III containment system from GE.

An explosion occurred Monday at a second reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi facility, following Saturday’s explosion at another reactor there, and engineers are desperately trying to stave off a meltdown of the reactor cores.

The six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant are all GE-designed boiling-water reactors, according to the anti-nuclear advocacy group Nuclear Information and Resources Service (NIRS).

The group says that five have containment systems of GE's Mark I design, and the sixth is a Mark II design. They were placed in operation between 1971 and 1979.

The Mark I has design problems, the NIRS has said.

"Some modifications have been made to U.S. Mark I reactors since 1986, although the fundamental design deficiencies remain," the NIRS said.

The following 23 U.S. plants have GE boiling-water reactors (GE models 2, 3 or 4) with the same Mark I containment design used at Fukushima, according to the NRC online database:

  • Browns Ferry 1, Athens, Ala., operating license since 1973, reactor type GE 4
  • Browns Ferry 2, Athens, Ala., 1974, GE 4
  • Browns Ferry 3, Athens, Ala., 1976, GE 4
  • Brunswick 1, Southport, N.C, 1976, GE 4.
  • Brunswick 2, Southport, N.C., 1974, GE 4.
  • Cooper, Brownville, Neb., 1974, GE 4.
  • Dresden 2, Morris, Ill., 1970, GE 3.
  • Dresden 3, Morris, Ill., 1971, GE 3.
  • Duane Arnold, Palo, Iowa, 1974, GE 4.
  • Fermi 2, Monroe, Mich., 1985, GE 4.
  • FitzPatrick, Scriba, N.Y., 1974, GE 4.
  • Hatch 1, Baxley, Ga., 1974, GE 4.
  • Hatch 2, Baxley, Ga., 1978, GE 4.
  • Hope Creek, Hancock's Bridge, N.J. 1986, GE 4.
  • Monticello, Monticello, Minn., 1970, GE 3.
  • Nine Mile Point 1, Scriba, N.Y., 1969, GE 2.
  • Oyster Creek, Forked River, N.J., 1969, GE 2.
  • Peach Bottom 2, Delta, Pa., 1973, GE 4.
  • Peach Bottom 3, Delta, Pa., 1974, GE 4.
  • Pilgrim, Plymouth, Mass., 1972, GE 3.
  • Quad Cities 1, Cordova, Ill., 1972, GE 3.
  • Quad Cities 2, Moline, Ill., 1972, GE 3.
  • Vermont Yankee, Vernon, Vt., 1972, GE 4.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.c...7#ixzz2EE6UdDi0

Looked into this a bit... here's a seismic hazard map for NC/SC

northcarolina_haz.jpg

Granted this is for a very short time period, but all quakes since 1973 and they're all very, very small... would hardly feel one if it hit here.

northcarolina.jpg

The largest quake on record in NC is from 1916 in Waynesville and it was a mag 5.6, which is pretty substantial... but a long way from Southport. The large quake in Charleston in 1886 was a 7.3, which is huge, but also a long distance from Southport, but we'd definitely feel that.

Here's a map of quake epicenters from a larger period, 1698 to 1997... the largest in our area are in the 2-4 range, which is very minor...

sequake.gif

I did find a fault map, but it's in shapefile format and I'll have to dl it and make a map... will try and do later...

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Guest Tom Cat

yes I realize that...the original statement was that these facilities are designed to safe themselves in the event of a power outage...we didn't discuss abnormal situations like flooding, terrorism and other catastrophic failures. My comment was aimed at total power failure only

Im not seeing your point - total power failure let to the Fukushima explosions - who cares how they got there?

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Biscuit -

I appreciate your work on this - Ive been in the area for over 20 years and there have been a lot of unexplained rumblings here over the years - Add those to a reactor design that was poor to begin with, a plant that was shoddily constructed over 40 years ago and has been bubble gum and bailing wired together over the years to meet faults the NRC happened to find and recently given permisiion to continue operations for 20 more years - Its hard for me to feel all warm and fuzzy.

For something else to chew on

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The document also cited analyses by Duke Energy, owner of the Oconee Nuclear Station in South Carolina, that were performed as far back as the early 1990s, suggesting that the NRC had known for some time about the flood threats. Those analyses showed that the 5-foot flood wall protecting crucial safety equipment at Oconee would prove inadequate in the event of a catastrophic failure of the Jocassee Dam, located 11 miles upstream on Lake Keowee. If that dam failed completely, the report suggested, floodwaters as high as 16.8 feet would inundate the Oconee facility, and a meltdown would be a virtual certainty.

from here ; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/nuclear-power-whistleblowers_n_2232108.html

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Oh and I know, you should be mindful of it, we all should... my house is 14.9 miles NE of the plant, iow right in the usual wind path if there was an accident... I pay attention to it. There are certainly issues, but I feel decent about them having a handle on it, but you do never know.

Honestly I'm more concerned about Sunny Point... there was a ship that caught fire down there in 2001 on a ship that had 1,300 containers of munitions... it was something like 2,000,000 lbs of TNT equivalent... and that's like what, a mile from the Brunswick Plant? Yeah, a giant explosion and damage to the nuke plant... genius.

...and also there's this:

Atlantic Tsunami Threat to the East Coast.

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