Do not want Chip Kelly after this rumor....

[rayzor]

All I'm saying is it's a legitimate question...it's not a no-brainer, so for Rayzor to call it mind-numbing that some would question it is just over the top.

And I have to take strong exception to your statement that because he has consulted with NFL teams, that automatically means he will be successful in the NFL. Many college coaches exchange info with pro teams, and coaches are always talking to each other. Just in the last two years, Bellicheck has brought in Saban, Kelly, and Urban Meyer. As to Kelly's contribution to NE's offense, it has largely been in helping them getting play calls in faster when they are in the no-huddle. It's not like they are running "his system" (at least what he currently runs at Oregon) as their base offense.

None of this is to say Kelly can't be a success in the league or that my mind is closed to him. I just don't understand those that think he is a slam dunk winner in the NFL. That is an unknown until he does it.

teaching a team to use one or two words to consistently get the play to the team on the line rather than huddling up or barking out a 5-10 word play call doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but some would consider it revolutionary, esp. the means in which it it's done. the league tends to make things more complicated than is necessary and it also is very resistant to change/evolution.

guys like belichek and sean payton and other more progressive coaches (that are actually copying what happens in college) wind up at the top because of their ability to adapt and change what is accepted/expected from traditional old school "pro-style" offense.

[Marguide]

not anymore over the top than thinking that a coach would want control over who was on his team is a mind-numbing idea.

Our future brain trust...

Kelly and Beane

[carpanfan96]

I think the risk is pretty much the same with Kelly as it would be in taking a coordinator from another team. It's all about the structure the coach puts around himself with his coordinators and so forth.

[rayzor]

Our future brain trust...

Kelly and Beane

that might actually be fitting. hopefully with a better success rate.

[rayzor]

I think the risk is pretty much the same with Kelly as it would be in taking a coordinator from another team. It's all about the structure the coach puts around himself with his coordinators and so forth.

abso-frikkin-lutely.

[CarolinaVeins]

I nominate rayzor as new GM

[rayzor]

I nominate rayzor as new GM

lol you reeeeeaaaalllllyyy don't want that. i know it sounds like a brilliant idea and all because i seem so wicked smart, but really i'm just talking out of my ass.

[Matthias]

For those who keep bringing up NE when talking on Kelly, if I could visualize Cam running the offense like Brady, I would say bring Kelly in yesterday. (Imagine a mobile Tom Brady) Yet I know what Kelly's offense will look like here. The same offense I've seen him run at Oregon. I envision Cam looking more like Darren Thomas/Marcus Mariota than Tom Brady.

Now I also keep hearing that Chip is going to adjust his offense to fit a more pro form, yet I wonder, has there been any presidence for this kind of transition before? Did another college coach in the past who ran something akin to the read option offense, make a successful transition to the pros?

[carpanfan96]

For those who keep bringing up NE when talking on Kelly, if I could visualize Cam running the offense like Brady, I would say bring Kelly in yesterday. (Imagine a mobile Tom Brady) Yet I know what Kelly's offense will look like here. The same offense I've seen him run at Oregon. I envision Cam looking more like Darren Thomas/Marcus Mariota than Tom Brady.

Now I also keep hearing that Chip is going to adjust his offense to fit a more pro form, yet I wonder, has there been any presidence for this kind of transition before? Did another college coach in the past who ran something akin to the read option offense, make a successful transition to the pros?

You hear that he will change his offense is because he keeps saying that he would in the NFL that an offense is dictated by personal and that a good coach adapts his system to his players.

As for the college spread offense coach to the NFL, I can't think of any that were successful at it. Doesn't mean it can't be done though with how much the NFL has changed over the last 10 years or so.

[KJ89]

the anti chip talk reminds me a lot of the anti cam talk.

It does doesn't it.

[Matthias]

You hear that he will change his offense is because he keeps saying that he would in the NFL that an offense is dictated by personal and that a good coach adapts his system to his players.

As for the college spread offense coach to the NFL, I can't think of any that were successful at it. Doesn't mean it can't be done though with how much the NFL has changed over the last 10 years or so.

There's no question concerning personel here. He's going to come in and see Cam as a mobile QB with a big arm, and thus he will run what he ran at Oregon. I would only see big adjustments to his offense, if we had a QB more like Derek Anderson. Yet there's no question what he will do with Cam at QB.

My thing is Cam is still developing, and if you ask me he is developing pretty much on his own. I want a coach who knows how the position of QB should be played in this league. Anything that would revert him back to the college days, is abhorrent in my eyes. That's why I was so adamant about our offense this season, how he was the leading rusher for this team. So far, all I've seen Kelly run is the read option spread. That's it, that's all I have to go on. All this other stuff about making adjustments to the pros is just talk. I want to see Cam grow as a QB and become grounded. A guy like a Bruce Arians, who worked with Peyton Manning/Ben Roethlisberger and help develop Andrew Luck, would be an ideal candidate for head coach. Someone to ground Newton, and tell him not to get the big head.

Chip Kelly is an upstart, and could be prideful. I don't think he would be a great mentor for Cam at this point.

[carpanfan96]

There's no question concerning personel here. He's going to come in and see Cam as a mobile QB with a big arm, and thus he will run what he ran at Oregon. I would only see big adjustments to his offense, if we had a QB more like Derek Anderson. Yet there's no question what he will do with Cam at QB.

My thing is Cam is still developing, and if you ask me he is developing pretty much on his own. I want a coach who knows how the position of QB should be played in this league. Anything that would revert him back to the college days, is abhorrent in my eyes. That's why I was so adamant about our offense this season, how he was the leading rusher for this team. So far, all I've seen Kelly run is the read option spread. That's it, that's all I have to go on. All this other stuff about making adjustments to the pros is just talk. I want to see Cam grow as a QB and become grounded. A guy like a Bruce Arians, who worked with Peyton Manning/Ben Roethlisberger and help develop Andrew Luck, would be an ideal candidate for head coach. Someone to ground Newton, and tell him not to get the big head.

Chip Kelly is an upstart, and could be prideful. I don't think he would be a great mentor for Cam at this point.

I can see where your coming from, but a lot of teams run spread offenses in the NFL. Some incorporate the QB into the rushing attack and others don't. Bringing in Kelly wouldn't necessarily be a detriment to Newton. It would also have a lot to do with who Kelly brought in as his OC and QB coach. Those two would have much more of an effect on Newton then Kelly. I also don't think it would be a definite that Kelly would run a pure spread in Carolina as he might not. I don't think you'd see cam stop running the ball though.

Newton is a QB who can run really well, it's asinine to take that away from him. Should he be the leading rusher, No he shouldn't. Newton can't help that both Stewart and Williams split carries almost down the middle each season. (If one got the majority of the carries, you wouldn't see Newton as the leading rusher) He would be the second leading rusher on the team. It's also crazy to take away the Newton goal line runs as well because of the extra dimension they add to the offense in the red zone.

[Matthias]

I can see where your coming from, but a lot of teams run spread offenses in the NFL. Some incorporate the QB into the rushing attack and others don't. Bringing in Kelly wouldn't necessarily be a detriment to Newton. It would also have a lot to do with who Kelly brought in as his OC and QB coach. Those two would have much more of an effect on Newton then Kelly. I also don't think it would be a definite that Kelly would run a pure spread in Carolina as he might not. I don't think you'd see cam stop running the ball though.

Newton is a QB who can run really well, it's asinine to take that away from him. Should he be the leading rusher, No he shouldn't. Newton can't help that both Stewart and Williams split carries almost down the middle each season. (If one got the majority of the carries, you wouldn't see Newton as the leading rusher) He would be the second leading rusher on the team. It's also crazy to take away the Newton goal line runs as well because of the extra dimension they add to the offense in the red zone.

Stew and D-Will always split carries. The main difference with this year, is that neither of them got more than 8 carries a game on average. D-Will has gotten more carries lately as we transitioned away from using the read option as much, and now he is getting his yardage. Yes, teams around the league are using the read option more, yet it's used sparingly. Washington is the only other team that use it frequently, and they use it in the pistol formation. (Which if you are going to use the read option as a base formation, using it in the pistol is the best way to go)

It's that frequency of use that got me shaking my head at the mention of Chip Kelly. One of my biggest problems with Rivera and Chud this year, was their seemingly arrogance with the offense. It seemed like they wanted to look like geniuses by using Cam's running ability, and transitioned our entire offense from what made us the number 5 total offense (I believe) last year. It's like they wanted to revolutionize the league with Cam, and they weren't willing to give up on that plan until Hurney got canned. Even then, they were hesitant to pull back off the read option. To me, Kelly may be another guy who would want to revolutionize the league, and see Cam as his first class ticket to do so. Again to me, it's like taking advantage of a guy who has extraordinary talent, but he still haven't completed the basics of the position yet.

Andrew Luck is much further ahead of Cam Newton in terms of knowledge of the game. By that I mean, Luck was trained to run an NFL offense since college. Cam on the other hand played mostly on his talent. Gene Chizick just rode Cam to a national championship, and Cam's abilities was once again taken advantage of by Chud and Rivera. Now here is the next guy, Chip Kelly, who will want to take advantage of Cam's skills to make a name for himself. I just want someone to teach this guy the basics. Let him grow. I know you made the case concerning an OC and QB coach and it's a good one, but I believe a HC would have more impact on Cam than those guys.

[Marguide]

Newton is extremely talented as both a passer and runner. That is what makes him unique. He has unlimited potential if someone can maximize his development. So I don't want a coach that says, "Cam, we want you to be strictly a pocket passer", nor do I want one that relies on him to be the team's leading rusher.

I don't believe any prospective coach is stupid enough to tell Cam he should never run. However, too many of them will just be tempted to do what Chud is doing, and that is asking Cam to do it all, i.e. be the leading rusher and still throw for 4000+ yards. Cam has shown he is highly coachable, so we shouldn't worry too much about him learning a new system. We just need to make sure it's a good system and that he is getting good guidance.

Without sitting in on interviews, it will be very hard for any of us to know which candidates have the best plan, and most importantly, which candidates can put together the best staff. We are just going to have to trust our new GM to show good judgement.

And of course it's not all about Cam either. I want us to build an effective defense around Keek. I want to see us have the ability to pass in the red zone as effectively as we run, and that will require development at the WR position. But it all starts with getting the right GM and HC, so I just pray JR is committed to hiring the best people available.

Edit: Just saw that Matthias made similar comments abpve regarding coaches riding Cam to the exclusion of the rest of the team, so for Matthias, please excuse me if I stepped on your post. It was unintentional.