Who is Jim Harbaugh?

[FireMarshallBill]

I hope his big brother whoops his ass

[Brokenbad]

JR still thinks he is a WR for the Baltimore Colts and gas is 0.49 a gallon

I just laughed so hard I woke up my kids.

[rayzor]

Wow that jim Harbaugh is one hellova coach huh.

Perfect half time adjustments and zero points for the Falcons in the 2nd half.

Coaching matters.

rivera should be taking notes.

[FootballMaestro]

My opinion. Probably will be wrong. We'll see. But I take such a hard stance on Harbugh mostly because I absolutely cannot stand the people who worship him on this board when there's no goddamn reason to imagine he would have done any better here than anywhere else. And worse, they go on anti JR tangents as if he's somehow to blame for Harbaugh deciding he wanted to go to San Fransisco and that was it.

So, yeah, I might be overreacting, but frankly, I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate HATE the asshats that bloviate on his achievements on this board.

I read your lengthier, earlier response breaking down Harbaugh on Offensive and defensive schemes, etc., and a lot of what you said was true? Agreed.

However, what do you expect from Panther fans? The 49ers ended up with Harbaugh, and the Panthers ended up with Rivera, while JR indicated he didn't know who the guy was or cared (whether that's true or not). Meanwhile, John Harbaugh is a good coach and going to the SuperBaugh to hang out with his bro! Meanwhile, Rivera's still looking for a staff.

Being a good coach, is not all about being a super tactician. Many times, it's being a leader of men, a CEO/Manager, and having the balls to make the right moves and decisions off and off the field. John Harbaugh appears to be all those attributes in spades. Until proven otherwise, Rivera does not!

Rivera, by all accounts is a brilliant X and 0's defensive guy. But that's on paper (or when things are standing still). Now, as an active coach, Rivera has a litany of problems (sticking with unproductive veterans, not taking charge of his mad scientist OC earlier, TO, time, game management issues, stupid decision making, as well playing not to lose and unaggressively way too often, especially when games count). You know them. The only thing Rivera appears to do legitimately well, is young player development, particularly on defense, and having his players play hard for him, which obviously hasn't been enough during his tenure so far. Let's hope he learned from his various mistakes the past two seasons, when the games count next year. The Panthers need this.

So here you had two bad teams, with bad coaches the past few years, and all of a sudden one of them now a proven winner (Jim Harbaugh), when the previous coach of that team--Singletary, was a big time loser. And let's not even talk about where the Panthers have been the same two seasons in comparison, even with some talented players in key positions themselves (they didn't have to have the same success as Frisco, but at least their coach and team could look competent). So far it's been a KO (or at least a 12 rd beat down in a title fight) in Harbaugh vs Rivera, so far. Let's face it!?

You can't blame people (and I'm not including your predictions against Harbaugh, which I'm not going to get into here. LOL) for feeling the way they do. Of course we'll still give Rivera another chance next year.

Good post though (on that earlier Harbaugh breakdown).

[Dpantherman]

LOL at the people that think JIm Harbaugh would have ever come here. Get real. Look at the roster he inherited. Complete rebuild vs. pieces in place. Do the math.

Jim Harbaugh is a great coach and a smart man. Don't kid yourselves.

[fieryprophet]

I read your lengthier, earlier response breaking down Harbaugh on Offensive and defensive schemes, etc., and a lot of what you said was true? Agreed.

However, what do you expect from Panther fans? The 49ers ended up with Harbaugh, and the Panthers ended up with Rivera, while JR indicated he didn't know who the guy was or cared (whether that's true or not). Meanwhile, John Harbaugh is a good coach and going to the SuperBaugh to hang out with his brother!

Being a good coach, is not all about being a super tactician. Many times, it's being a leader of men, a CEO/Manager, and having the balls to make the right moves and decisions off and off the field. John Harbaugh appears to be all those attributes in spades. Until proven otherwise, Rivera does not!

Rivera, by all accounts is a brilliant X and 0's defensive guy. But that's on paper (or when things are standing still). Now, as an active coach, Rivera has a litany of problems (sticking with unproductive veterans, not taking charge of his mad scientist OC earlier, TO, time, game management issues, stupid decision making, as well playing not to lose and unaggressively way too often, especially when games count). You know them. The only thing Rivera appears to do legitimately well, is young player development, particularly on defense, and having his players play hard for him, which obviously hasn't bee enough. Let's hope he learned from his various mistakes the past two seasons, when the games count next year.

So here you had two bad teams, with bad coaches the past few years, and all of a sudden one of them now a proven winner (Jim Harbaugh), when the previous coach of that team--Singletary, was a big time loser. And let's not even talk about where the Panthers have been the same two seasons in comparison, even with some talented players in key positions themselves (they didn't have to have the same success as Frisco, but at least their coach and team could look competent). So far it's been a KO (or at least a 12 rd beat down in a title fight) in Harbaugh vs Rivera, so far. Let's face it!?

You can't blame people (and I'm not including your predictions against Harbaugh, which I'm not going to get into here. LOL) for feeling the way they do. Of course we'll still give Rivera another chance next year.

Good post though (on that earlier Harbaugh breakdown).

Nowhere in all of my Harbaughs rants have I made any comparison between him and Rivera. I'm not attacking Harbaugh for the sake of making Rivera look good in comparison, because Rivera has shown he has a lot to learn (and seems to be slowly learning it.) I'm merely stating that Harbaugh isn't by definition a better coach than Rivera just because he had the good fortune of landing in San Fransisco (his preferred destination.) Jim's done a good job with the 49ers, but he's not an elite coach, and we would be marginally better at best (and likely worse) if he was our coach with our current talent.

[Marguide]

LOL at the people that think JIm Harbaugh would have ever come here. Get real. Look at the roster he inherited. Complete rebuild vs. pieces in place. Do the math.

Jim Harbaugh is a great coach and a smart man. Don't kid yourselves.

I agree that Harbaugh wouldn't have come here, but it wasn't for the reason you mentioned. He wanted to stay in the Bay area, and I'm not sure JR would have been willing to put up the kind of money he was looking for.

Our roster was not bad at all when Rivera took over. We had a #1 pick, great RB's, what was thought at the time to be a very, very solid o-line, a great LB corps (remember, Beason was still "healthy" back then), and a secondary that featured Gamble and Godfrey (which many analysts seem to value more than we do). Our cupboard was far from bare.

Harbaugh has also turned over a big part of that roster since he took over, so it's not like he had a team ready-made.

[Dpantherman]

I agree that Harbaugh wouldn't have come here, but it wasn't for the reason you mentioned. He wanted to stay in the Bay area, and I'm not sure JR would have been willing to put up the kind of money he was looking for.

Our roster was not bad at all when Rivera took over. We had a #1 pick, great RB's, what was thought at the time to be a very, very solid o-line, a great LB corps (remember, Beason was still "healthy" back then), and a secondary that featured Gamble and Godfrey (which many analysts seem to value more than we do). Our cupboard was far from bare.

Harbaugh has also turned over a big part of that roster since he took over, so it's not like he had a team ready-made.

That too, but I still won't concede that the 49ers had (and still do) a much better roster.

[FootballMaestro]

Jim's done a good job with the 49ers, but he's not an elite coach, and we would be marginally better at best (and likely worse) if he was our coach with our current talent.

I politely, respectfully disagree.

I think on leadership, motivation, executive type management and decision making alone (not including the litany of in game Rivera issues I mentioned), Harbaugh would have a better record than Rivera most likely a winner, even a playoff one.

Remember, if the Panthers don't incredulously blow the Chicago, 1st Altanta and 2nd Tampa Bay games--alone, their 10-6. And this doesn't include the very winnable Dallas, Seattle and KC games/debacle as well.

So you're trying to say, that Harbaugh's better QB coaching, on and off field decision making and leadership, as well as coaching acumen over Rivera (not including all Rivera's problems), wouldn't make the Panthers at least 3 games better than Rivera (especially in those first three I mentioned)?

I'm not even sure you would believe that. C'mon!! The Panthers were in practically all their games in 2012. And look at the change and impact Harbaugh made to a previously bad 49er team.

OK. Since you feel the way you do. I guess a better question would be: Do you think Rivera could have gone to San Francisco, and turned them around the way Harbaugh did?... Therein lies your answer.

[fieryprophet]

That too, but I still won't concede that the 49ers had (and still do) a much better roster.

They have a much more well-rounded roster. See, Panther fans get this hair up their ass because they can reel off names like Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Beason, Hardy, CJ, DeAngelo, Stewart, Steve Smith, Cam, etc. and think we're loaded with talent. But notice that all of those names make up a grand total of five positions! We're heavy on linebackers and running backs, good on DEs and QB, and weak everywhere else. Poor secondary, poor defensive tackles, poor receiving corps outside of Smitty, and also had very poor offensive line play this year.

Now contrast that with a 49ers team, that even if it's not burgeoning with superstars, has solid to great players almost across the board, with a young and dynamic QB, great running game, great offensive line, good defensive line, elite linebackers, great secondary, elite tight end, and above average receiving corps.

[Cyberjag]

OK. Since you feel the way you do. I guess a better question would be: Do you think Rivera could have gone to San Francisco, and turned them around the way Harbaugh did?... Therein lies your answer.

Personally, I don't.

[fieryprophet]

I politely, respectfully disagree.

I think on leadership, motivation, executive type management and decision making alone (not including the litany of in game Rivera issues I mentioned), Harbaugh would have a better record than Rivera most likely a winner, even a playoff one.

Remember, if the Panthers don't incredulously blow the Chicago, 1st Altanta and 2nd Tampa Bay games--alone, their 10-6. And this doesn't include the very winnable Dallas, Seattle and KC games/debacle as well.

So you're trying to say, that Harbaugh's better QB coaching, on and off field decision making and leadership, as well as coaching acumen over Rivera (not including all Rivera's problems), wouldn't make the Panthers at least 3 games better than Rivera (especially in those first three I mentioned)?

I'm not even sure you would believe that. C'mon!!

I'm supposed to believe that a coach with one of the worse challenge ratios in the NFL, and inexplicably did not know a game could end in a tie is somehow an elite decision maker or game manager? Name one game Harbaugh has "managed" to victory: the Falcons marched right down the field and he was one pass interference call yesterday away from the Falcons moving on to the Super Bowl. just because they failed to do their job doesn't mean Harbaugh was doing particularly well himself: for crying out loud, we want to talk about someone sticking with players too long, how is David Akers still his kicker?

And Rivera didn't blow the 1st Atlanta game, Nakamura did. Unless you're seriously going to imagine that he was supposed to know Haruki would screw up when he hadn't even been in the situation before. It may surprise the 20/20 hindsight dipshits on this board but no one was mad to see the ninja out there until after that fiasco, not before. The Chicago game was a literal failure, as everyone in the building knew they were targeting Norman. I will say, however, that since he's been benched at the comments Rivera has made about that benching that it's pretty obvious he wasn't being coached to play so far off, Norman simply refused to do what he was told in fear of being burned. Either way, Harbugh's track record in similar situations isn't particularly better.

[Dpantherman]

They have a much more well-rounded roster. See, Panther fans get this hair up their ass because they can reel off names like Kuechly, Thomas Davis, Beason, Hardy, CJ, DeAngelo, Stewart, Steve Smith, Cam, etc. and think we're loaded with talent. But notice that all of those names make up a grand total of five positions! We're heavy on linebackers and running backs, good on DEs and QB, and weak everywhere else. Poor secondary, poor defensive tackles, poor receiving corps outside of Smitty, and also had very poor offensive line play this year.

Now contrast that with a 49ers team, that even if it's not burgeoning with superstars, has solid to great players almost across the board, with a young and dynamic QB, great running game, great offensive line, good defensive line, elite linebackers, great secondary, elite tight end, and above average receiving corps.

The front 7, offensive line, and secondary blow us out of the water. Not even close.

[fieryprophet]

I politely, respectfully disagree.

I think on leadership, motivation, executive type management and decision making alone (not including the litany of in game Rivera issues I mentioned), Harbaugh would have a better record than Rivera most likely a winner, even a playoff one.

Remember, if the Panthers don't incredulously blow the Chicago, 1st Altanta and 2nd Tampa Bay games--alone, their 10-6. And this doesn't include the very winnable Dallas, Seattle and KC games/debacle as well.

So you're trying to say, that Harbaugh's better QB coaching, on and off field decision making and leadership, as well as coaching acumen over Rivera (not including all Rivera's problems), wouldn't make the Panthers at least 3 games better than Rivera (especially in those first three I mentioned)?

I'm not even sure you would believe that. C'mon!! The Panthers were in practically all their games in 2012. And look at the change and impact Harbaugh made to a previously bad 49er team.

OK. Since you feel the way you do. I guess a better question would be: Do you think Rivera could have gone to San Francisco, and turned them around the way Harbaugh did?... Therein lies your answer.

Rivera coaching that San Fransisco defense? Keeping in mind how much our defense has improved even with much lesser players? I truly don't know, but you can imagine it would have been a hellacious team. I don't think his vertical philosophy would have allowed for Smith to have been a competent QB, but he could have worked with Kaepernick fairly well, considering his experience with Cam.